New Words & Music Adaptation by Huddie Ledbetter - Copyright 1963 (Renewed) 1977 (Renewed) Folkways Music Publishers Inc.
This episode, we return to the “Creation & Evolution” theme as we trace the history of the song called “Black Betty”. It’s a fascinating story, from its origins as an African-American work song to its transformation into a rock anthem by Ram Jam. We’ll explore the musical evolution of this enduring track. Join us for this captivating musical journey.
“Black Betty” New Words & Music Adaptation by Huddie Ledbetter – Copyright 1963 (Renewed) 1977 (Renewed) Folkways Music Publishers Inc.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Welcome back to the “I’m In Love With That Song” Podcast on the Pantheon Podcast Network. I’m Brad Page, host of the show, where each episode we take a song and put it under the microscope, so to speak, looking at all the elements that make the song work. We look at the performance, the arrangements, the production, all the various components that go into making a great song. No musical expertise is required here, this show is for anyone who’s curious about the strange alchemy, the magic of music.
This episode is the second in our occasional series that I call “Creation and Evolution”. This is where we look at songs that have an exceptionally long, involved, and sometimes convoluted history. You may remember that back on episode 152. I used the “Creation and Evolution” theme to explore the song “Midnight Train To Georgia”, that classic track from Gladys Knight and The Pips. Some songs are written pretty quickly, in a burst of inspiration. Other songs might be meticulously worked on, written and rewritten over time. But some songs, passed through various hands, are recontextualized or mutated as different writers and performers add their interpretations and revisions. Sometimes this can happen over generations.
Case in point, the song we’re discussing today has its roots, at the very latest, in 1935, but probably much older than that. Eventually, it made its way onto a single in 1977 by an unknown rock band who became a one-hit wonder thanks to this song. This is Ram Jam with “Black Betty”.
Tracking the history of the song called “Black Betty” is difficult to do with any certainty. Its origin is considered to be as an African-American work song. The first recorded version was by a prisoner named James “Ironhead” Baker. John Lomax and his son Alan traveled across the country recording and documenting the folk music of America. During a visit to the state prison in Sugarland, Texas, they recorded James Baker, along with other inmates, singing a version of “Black Betty”.
The most well-known version for quite some time was recorded by Huddie Ledbetter, otherwise known as Lead Belly. He was also a former prisoner, convicted of murder, who recorded dozens, maybe hundreds of songs for the Lomaxes that made Lead Belly famous… but never rich. In April 1939, Lead Belly recorded a medley of three work songs, “Looky, Looky Yonder and “Yellow Woman’s Doorbells”, with “Black Betty” sandwiched in between.
Lead Belly was credited as songwriter on that version, and his name still appears in the credits sometimes today. But the song surely predates him.
So, who– or what– exactly is “Black Betty”? Well, the first reference we know of was published by Benjamin Franklin, of all people, in 1736. Appears in his “Drinkers Dictionary” as a term for being drunk; when someone was pretty tipsy, you could say “he’s kissed Black Betty”. It could also refer to a whiskey bottle.
Others have described “Black Betty” as a whip that was used against prisoners. Some say it refers to a gun. And some people said it was a term for the transfer wagon at the penitentiary. That later morphed into referencing a cardinal or motorcycle. One thing that seems pretty clear in all of these early interpretations is that Black Betty was probably not a woman.
There are many more versions of “Black Betty”. Some notable versions include one by Odetta in 1964. Like Lead Belly, she included it in a medley with “Looky Yonder”.
You’ve probably noticed at this point, we’re getting some musical accompaniment with guitars, and not just the acapella version.
As far as I can tell, it first appeared in a rock context by Manfred Mann in 1968. But in their version, they called it “Big Betty”.
And by this time, the “Black Betty” in this song appears to have transformed into a woman.
Now, there was a band called the Lemon Pipers in the late sixties. They were signed to Neil Bogart’s Buddha label, home to quite a few bubblegum pop bands in the sixties and seventies. The label pushed the band into a more pop direction, and they did score one big hit, the psychedelic pop classic “Green Tambourine” in 1967.
By 1969, the Lemon Pipers had split up. Their guitarist and singer, Bill Bartlett, formed a Band called Starstruck. In 1973, Starstruck recorded their version of “Black Betty” as a single and released it on their own label. It ran 4:45 seconds and was performed by Tom Kurtz on rhythm guitar, David Fleeman on drums, David Goldflies on bass and Bill Bartlett on lead guitar and lead vocals.
And the song became a regional hit around the Cincinnati area. A couple of producers out of New York, Jerry Kasenetz and Jeffrey Katz, who had done a lot of work for Buddha Records, they heard the Starstruck version of “Black Betty” and thought they could do something with it. So, they took Bill Bartlett and formed a whole new band around him, which they called Ram Jam.
Ram Jam released their first album, self-titled, in 1977, which includes “Black Betty”. It’s actually the opening track on the album. But except for Bill Bartlett, none of the members of Ram Jam play on the song. Producers Kasenetz and Katz took the original Starstruck recording and edited it; they reordered the parts and deleted some sections altogether, editing the 4:45 seconds Starstruck version down to just 2:25 seconds for the Ram Jam single. Now, the version released on the Ram Jam album is closer to the original’s length– it’s 3:57 seconds. But once you know that this track has been significantly edited, you can pretty easily hear where the edits were made.
So, now let’s get into the track– and remember, this is just the same musicians that played on the Starstruck version, re-edited into this Ram Jam version.
It’s the same intro as the Starstruck version, including a gong with a phasing effect on it.
Here comes that gong again with more of that phasing or flanging effect on it.
Now, right there, is the first of the edits, and it’s maybe the most noticeable edit in the whole Song.
Now this is interesting… it’s actually kind of crazy. They are going to take the intro of the song– which you just heard less than a minute ago– and they’re going to splice it in here, repeating the exact same intro, including the same guitar solo again.
There’s clearly another edit right there. It’s particularly noticeable in the way the cymbal or gong is abruptly cut off rather than its natural decay.
They’re double tracking his vocals here.
Now, the Starstruck version has this whole guitar riff thing that they do here, and then they go into a sped-up version of the verse. On the Ram Jam edit, they move that guitar riff to later in the song, and delete the sped up verse altogether. Instead, they take a different guitar riff from later in the song and move it up here.
We even get a little mini drum solo here.
After that, we get a short dual guitar harmonized part, and then the song speeds up, but only for the guitar solo. There’s no vocal part here.
Bill Bartlett is ripping it up on guitar there. But it’s equally impressive what the bass player and drummer are doing behind him. This was played by David Fleeman on drums and David Goldflies on bass, both from Starstruck.
And now here’s where they splice in that riff played earlier in the Starstruck version.
And here comes another drum break– It’s actually the same drum solo from earlier in the Song, edited back in again.
Here’s another twin guitar part. I really like this one. First, let’s hear just the guitars.
And now let’s hear that with the whole band.
“Black Betty” by Ram Jam. Or should I say Starstruck?
The song’s been covered quite a few times since then, including a version by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds; that version is pretty reminiscent of the old Lead Belly version.
I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that this song has had its share of controversy. The NAACP called for a boycott of the Ram Jam song when it first came out… and you can see why a bunch of white guys singing about “Black Betty” could be seen as offensive. But considering the fact that the song was originally written and performed by black artists, and it’s always been murky whether the song was about liquor, a gun, a prison wagon, a whip, or a woman, I feel comfortable enough including the song in this show. I hope you liked it, and maybe learned a little something about the creation and evolution of songs.
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REFERENCES:
Ram Jam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Jam
Black Betty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Betty
"Serpentine Fire" (Maurice White, Verdine White & Reginald "Sonny" Burke) Copyright 1977 SBK April Music Inc/Free Delivery Music
Many bands would be running out of ideas by their 8th album, but not Earth, Wind &Fire – many consider All ‘n All to be their best record. Freshly inspired by the varied sounds & rhythms of South America, Maurice White brought his genre-blending compositions to new heights on this 1977 album, as evidenced by the opening track, “Serpentine Fire”, which White himself described as Earth Wind & Fire’s “most ambitious single”.
“Serpentine Fire” (Maurice White, Verdine White & Reginald “Sonny” Burke) Copyright 1977 SBK April Music Inc/Free Delivery Music
TRANSCRIPT:
Sing a song and keep your head to the sky, ‘cause you’re all shining stars. This is the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast, one of many fine shows on the Pantheon Podcast Network, and I’m your host, Brad Page. Each episode, I pick one of my favorite songs and we dig into it together, looking and listening for all those magic moments, the little things that turn a good song into a great one. Don’t worry if you’re not a musician or musical expert, you don’t need to be. We’re just going to tune our ears into the arrangements, the performances and the production that make it a great song.
This episode we’re listening to one of the biggest, most successful acts in history. Call ‘em R&B, call ‘em funk, call ‘em Afro pop, jazz, soul…. any way you look at it, this band has an incredible catalog of music and a bunch of huge hits. We’re going to explore one of those hits right now: This is Earth, Wind And Fire with “Serpentine Fire”.
This is our second visit with Earth Wind And Fire. We covered the song “Shining Star” back on Episode 56– check that one out if you haven’t heard it yet. It’s one of my favorites. So let’s recap just a little of Earth Wind and Fire’s history here.
Maurice White was born in Memphis, Tennessee in 1941. For a while he played with Booker T in Memphis before he moved to Chicago to live with his mother and stepfather. He attended the Chicago Conservatory of Music, played drums around the scene, and worked as a session drummer at Chess Studios, where he played with many of the greats: Etta James, Chuck Berry, Junior Wells, Muddy Waters, just to name a few.
In 1969, he formed the Salty Peppers with Wade Flemings and Don Whitehead. Eventually he moved to LA and changed the name of the band to Earth Wind and Fire, based on his astrological sign. In 1970, his brother Verdine White joined the band as their bass player. Earth Wind and Fire released their first self-titled album in 1971. Their second album, “The Need of Love”, came out the same year, and a third album, “Last Days And Time”, was issued in 1972. That was the first album with vocalist Philip Bailey, who would share vocals with Maurice White and become a critical factor in the band.
“Head To The Sky” came out in 1973, and “Open Our Eyes”, their fifth album, in 1974. This album features “Mighty Mighty”, which was kind of their first big crossover hit.
In 1975, they released “That’s The Way of the World”, their 6th album. It was also the soundtrack to the film That’s The Way of the World, and the band appears in the movie. “Shining Star” is from this album, and it would become their first #1 hit on the Billboard Hot 100. See our previously-mentioned Episode 56 for more details.
The title cut was also issued as a single.
Maurice White was a musical visionary, but he was more than that, too. He envisioned bringing people together spiritually through his music. He viewed their next album, the album that would become “Spirit”, as their most important album so far. He was also interested in showing a different vision of black masculinity than what you typically got from celebrities. He wanted to present the band as “sons of a royal and noble Africa”.
The album cover featured the band all dressed in white, eyes closed in meditative poses with three large white pyramids behind them. This was the first of many album covers that would feature eastern and Egyptian imagery.
He wanted to awaken spirituality among his audience. Not so much religion, but spirituality. His goal was to share his interests– mysticism, Buddhism, Egyptology. As Maurice said, “Our vibe was definitely afro-centric, but not a separatist one. It was about community, the family of man.”
Sadly, as they were working on the “Spirit” album, they lost a key member of their family. Charles Stepney had worked closely with the band on their last few albums as producer, arranger and contributing songwriter. He died on May 17, 1976 from a heart attack. He was 45 years old. He was a close friend of Maurice White and the whole band, really. The album would be in many ways a tribute to Stepney. “Spirit”, their 7th studio album was released in September 1976.
After the success of the “Spirit” album and the massive tour that followed, by now, Earth Wind and Fire were putting on an amazing stage show and they were a huge concert draw. But Maurice White was exhausted. He needed a break. He took the first vacation of his life, spending two months touring South America. He visited drum schools in Brazil and absorbed the sounds and rhythms of the various cultures. When he returned home, he brought these fresh ideas to the next Earth Wind and Fire album, which would be called “All In All”, their 8th album of all new material.
Now, you would think at that pace, eight albums plus a live album, all within six years, that they would have run out of steam. But many people consider “All In All” to be their best album.
“Serpentine Fire” is the song that opens the album, and what a way to kick it off. It was written by Maurice White, Verdine White and Reginald Sonny Burke. It was produced by Maurice White.
\Maurice has described the song as “profoundly odd, an idiosyncratic mixture of African music, tango and gospel blues, with an abstract lyric about Kundalini energy.” Kundalini is a form of divine feminine energy located at the base of the spine. When awakened, it leads to spiritual liberation. Kundalini is a Sanskrit word meaning “coiled, or coiled like a snake”.
Maurice White says “Serpentine Fire” is Earth Wind and Fire’s most ambitious single because it’s so musically abstract. The song begins with an intro played by the bass, keyboards and percussion, with the horns joining in after the first four measures. You can already hear that Latin feel in the percussion.
Let’s go back and listen to the keyboards because it’s a very dense mix. A lot going on. Sometimes it’s hard to pick out the individual parts. There are at least two keyboard parts, one on the left and one on the right. The one on the right has a phasing effect on it. From there, it’s going to break out into a supremely funky track.
Let’s break that down a bit. Like all good funk songs, at the heart of the groove is the bass guitar. Adding to this syncopation is both the percussion and the horn parts. So let’s listen to those.
Little further down in the mix are the keyboard parts.
And there is one guitar part in the left channel. Let’s hear all of that together again. Now for the first verse.
Let’s check out the vocals. This is Maurice White with an occasional harmony by Philip Bailey. The vocals are doubled with a decent amount of reverb on them.
Let’s continue with the rest of that verse. This is the chorus where Philip Bailey takes over. Philip was renowned for his falsetto, and the way it contrasted and complemented Maurice White’s vocals is one of the most magical things about Earth Wind and Fire.
At the end of the chorus is a short section where they bring in the gospel influence. You can see how they’re blending all kinds of elements together.
That brings us back to the main riff. I love that vocal bit at the end there.
We’l pick it back up for the next verse.
That groove is so great. I want to hear just a little of the bass, the horns and the percussion. We’ll keep a little of the guitar in there, too.
I want to hear more of Maurice White’s vocal track.
And I’d like to hear just the vocals on that part, too.
There’s kind of a big finish there this time around. They could have ended the song right there, but just when you think it’s done, they kick back in.
Notice how there’s tuned percussion.
And that brings us to the last chorus. The guitars and keyboards are going to make their way forward a bit in the mix here at the end. The guitars are still difficult to make out, but there are two guitar parts in there. That’s pretty crazy, right? And of course, there are still the two keyboard parts. And of course, that killer bass guitar part that I just got to hear it by itself one more time.
All right, let’s go back to the final mix. We get another round of the chorus vocals, then the horns take over as the song fades out.
“Serpentine Fire” by Earth Wind and Fire. The “All In All” album was released in November 1977. The album cover featured artwork by Shusei Nagaoka. Shusei didn’t speak English, and Maurice didn’t speak Japanese, but they met and Maurice was able to articulate his ideas by showing him books on Egyptian art and UFO’s. Nagaoka sketched out some ideas and a relationship was forged that would result in a whole string of album covers for Earth Wind and Fire. Nagaoka created a bunch of other album covers for ELO, Jefferson Starship, and Deep Purple, but my favorites of his are the covers he did for Earth Wind and Fire.
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"Death On Two Legs (Dedicated To......)" Freddie Mercury Copyright 1975 Queen Music Ltd
Join us as we dive deep into one of Queen’s most iconic tracks, “Death on Two Legs,” from their legendary album A Night at the Opera, celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. This episode features an in-depth analysis of the song’s history, production, and the individual tracks that make up this classic, along with performance insights from Tyler Warren, who has played this music live with the Queen Extravaganza. Don’t miss this chance to celebrate the music that shaped rock history.
“Death On Two Legs (Dedicated To……)” Freddie Mercury Copyright 1975 Queen Music Ltd
TRANSCRIPT:
Welcome back to the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast. I’m your host, Brad Page, and each episode here on the Pantheon Podcast Network, I pick one of my favorite songs and we dive into it together to discover what makes it a great song.
This episode we continue our look at one of the greatest albums ever made,” A Night at the Opera” by Queen, which celebrates its 50th anniversary this year. Last episode, we talked about this album as a whole, what led up to the record, how it was recorded, and an overview of each track. We were joined by author Gillian Gaar, who’s just published a new book all about this album. Go back and listen to that episode for details.
This episode, we’re doing a deep dive on one of my favorite tracks on the album. It’s the song that opens the record and we’ve got a special guest who’ll join us at the end to give us some additional insight on actually performing Queen’s music live, especially the tracks from the “Night at the Opera” album. So let’s do it– Let’s dig into “Death on Two Legs” by Queen.
“A Night at The Opera” was Queen’s fourth album, mostly recorded during the summer and fall of 1975. As I mentioned before, we covered the making of this album on our previous podcast, so if you haven’t listened to that one, go back and check it out for the history of this album.
“Death on Two Legs” is the song that opens the album– side one, track one. The full title is actually “Death on Two Legs (Dedicated To…)”. The lyrics never mention who the subject of the song is, but clearly Freddie is not happy with them.
The target of Freddie’s rage was Norman Sheffield, the owner of Trident Studios, along with his brother Barry, and the band’s former managers. This was your classic dispute between artist and manager, with the band claiming they never received the money that they were due, and management maintaining that the band racked up huge expenses and there just wasn’t much money left.
When Norman Sheffield heard that Queen’s new album began with a song that raked him over the coals, he sued the band for defamation. Though Sheffield is never mentioned by name in the song, the band ended up settling out of court for a not insubstantial sum.
“Death on Two Legs” was written by Freddie Mercury and performed by Freddie on vocals and piano, Brian May on guitar and backing vocals, Roger Taylor on drums and backing vocals, and John Deacon on bass. It was produced by Queen and Roy Thomas Baker.
The song begins with the sound of a piano, distant at first, then coming closer to us, the listener.
That heavy riff is played by a distorted guitar and an acoustic upright bass, also known as the double bass, played with a bow. But before that riff appears out of nowhere, you can hear some strange sound effects in the background. My guess is that those were actually played on Brian May’s guitar with some delay or effects added.
Let’s go back and listen to that again in context and see if those sounds jump out at you.
Now you can hear those effects getting louder here.
Brian’s overdubbed some additional guitars here, including a part reminiscent of those violin stabs from the “Psycho” soundtrack.
It’s going to continue to escalate, culminating in a blood-curdling scream, performed by Roger I believe, before it comes to a screeching halt. Literally.
Now were hitting the song proper. The author Martin Power, in his great book “Queen: The Complete Guide to Their Music”, described this song as a “heavy metal tango”. Which is actually a pretty good description.
Before the first verse starts, Brian plays a short guitar solo that has a real exotic feel to it. It’s not your typical rock mode. Let’s listen to that guitar by itself. Couple of things to note here: As usual he’s playing his legendary Red Special guitar. That’s the guitar that he built himself with his dad, made out of a 100-year-old piece of mahogany that came from a fireplace mantle. For amplification, we can assume that he’s playing through a Vox AC30 amp using a Dallas Rangemaster Treble Booster pedal, between the guitar and the amplifier; that was his standard setup around this time. Another key element of the Brian May guitar sound is that instead of using a traditional pick, Brian uses a sixpence coin. So you’re actually getting a metal-on-metal sound whenever he picks the strings. So, that combination of all of these things– the custom-built homemade guitar, the AC30 amp, the treble booster pedal, and using a coin for a pick– all of these things contribute to giving Brian one of the most distinctive guitar sounds in all of rock. So let’s hear that solo.
I think you can really hear the sound of that metal coin on the strings. Let’s hear that again in context with the rest of the song.
So here’s the first verse. Right before Freddie’s lead vocal comes in, we get a blast of those famous Queen harmonies. Then Freddie comes in with a vocal that is just spitting venom. Notice how he’s overdubbed the vocal on different tracks so that they overlap ever so slightly on the last word of each line.
All right, there’s a lot going on here. Right before that first chorus, we have a backwards cymbal that’s inserted.
Let’s hear that again in context.
There’s also an interesting drum pattern that Roger Taylor is playing under the chorus. Let’s hear some of that.
Then before the start of the next section, there’s a sound effect that, probably the best way to describe it is, it’s kind of a helicopter sound. I’m pretty sure that sound is made by Brian’s guitar through an Echoplex tape delay.
Let’s play through the next section.
Okay, let’s break down this section. We’ll start with Freddie’s piano, because that’s the part that’s really the foundation for this section. The original working title for this song was “Psycho Legs” because apparently Freddie’s piano playing was so intense.
Now let’s hear how Brian has layered a couple of guitars to thicken up this section.
Now the vocals.
Just wow. One more thing I want to hear before we move along is to listen to Roger Taylor’s drum part during this section,because this is just a classic Roger Taylor performance. Let’s hear it.
All right, let’s put that all back together again and hear the final mix of this section.
That is maybe the most brutal lyric in this whole song.
“Do you feel like suicide? You should.”
He’s basically telling this guy he should kill himself. Let’s go back and pick it up from there.
Another guitar solo from Brian May. This one is much more in a traditional rock vein, but still fantastic. Let’s just hear that guitar first.
And let’s hear what Freddie’s piano was doing under that.
And I haven’t forgotten about John Deacon. Let’s hear what he’s playing on the bass during this section. Theres some nice gritty distortion on the bass all through the track; that’s old studio trick that helps the bass cut through when you’re doing the final mix.
Okay, let’s hear that all put together.
That brings us to the final verse. Let’s play through that. I’ll stop along the way to point out a couple more things.
Nice bass guitar lick there by John Deacon.
And Brian May’s guitar joins in at the tail end of that lick.
And I’ve always loved the way Freddie sings the word “balloon” in this verse.
And let’s listen to the vocals on that part again.
And before we play through the final chorus, let’s highlight a couple more things. First, let’s hear Roger Taylor’s drums again.
And let’s hear John Deacon’s bass one more time.
And let’s hear how Brian’s guitar and Freddie’s piano work together.
On top of that, Brian plays some short little guitar licks; these were actually composed by Freddie on piano, then Brian learned them on guitar.
There are little licks like that throughout the song, which were all Freddie s idea. Okay, let’s put it all back together one final time and listen to this last chorus through to the end of the song.
And that’s it. That’s how the song ends, rather abruptly. On the album. It goes right into the next song, “Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon”. And that transition couldn’t be more extreme. Two completely different styles, polar opposites.
And that is just one reason why I love this album: the sheer nerve it takes to open your album with a one-two punch like this. And it keeps going like that through the whole album. It’s incredibly audacious, this album. It’s a masterpiece.
And someone who has experience actually playing this album live, all the way through in front of an audience, is my special guest on this episode, Tyler Warren.
Tyler Warren is a drummer and singer who was recruited by Roger Taylor himself to play in the “Queen Extravaganza”, the Queen tribute that Roger Taylor put together. Then, when Queen hit the road with Adam Lambert, Tyler joined them on stage, playing drums and percussion. So, he knows this music inside out. I met up with Tyler in Nashville at the RockNPod Expo, and we had a brief chat about his experience performing this album live.
BRAD: Well, Tyler Warren, thanks for joining me here at Live at RockNPod. My next episode is focusing on one particular track from “Night at the Opera”, “Death on Two Legs”. And I really wanted to get your insight, because you’ve actually performed this song.
TYLER: Well with his, with the tribute band, official tribute band that he put together, 10 years ago now, called Queen Extravaganza.
BRAD: And you actually played the whole album front to back?
TYLER: We did. We did. We did it a couple of tours where we did “A Night at the Opera” front to back. The first tour we did, it was in two sections, and the first section was all music pre-“Night at the Opera”,. And then the second half was “Night at the Opera”.
BRAD: I mean, that’s quite a lot of music to bite off…
TYLER: I loved it. I love all that stuff. So I was in heaven.
BRAD: And that’s incredible record. And so you played drums and percussion?
TYLER: Yeah, I played drums and sang lead vocals with Queen Extravaganza. And then with Queen, I do percussion and background vocals, stuff Roger doesn’t want to do anymore.
BRAD: So tell us just a little bit about what is it like to work with Roger.
TYLER: It’s like I tell everybody else, like, Roger and Brian– obviously, I have more experience being around Roger– but they are who they are. They’re freaking legends. But they’re humans, too. And whenever we’re hanging out, it’s just like I’m hanging out with. buddies, you know? They just happen to be these massive, gigantic rock stars that are legends, you know?
BRAD: Right, right. So, let’s talk a little bit about this particular song, “Death On Two Legs”. What’s always fascinated me about this song is there’s so many elements, little pieces to that song. What was the most challenging thing about doing that particular song live?
TYLER: Really, the most challenging thing for us, whenever we did it with Extravaganza– with pretty much anything that’s Queen related– is background vocals. Because everything else kind of falls into place and it kind of goes where it needs to go. But we just wanted to make sure that everything we could possibly do is there. And, you know, Roger was, and still is, extremely keen on not using tracks. So everything that we did, we did live.
BRAD: Right. No backing tracks, no fudging it.
TYLER: No, no, no, no, no. So if you screw up, it’s for real. But I would say that definitely the most difficult part was doing the background vocals. And we spent a lot of time making sure we got that one right. Because it’s important for us. Because especially for Roger, back then with the tribute band, the whole reason that he put it together was, he was sick of seeing all these other tribute bands that were way more focused on dressing up like Queen and putting on the mustache and stuff like that, and less focused on representing the songs and the albums as good as they possibly could, and making it something that actually sounded amazing. And that was the whole impetus of Queen Extravaganza; like, we didn’t dress up like them or anything. We just performed. And, you know, there are certain bands where the visual is just as important. You know, if you’re going to see a Kiss tribute, man, you want to see them dressed up in the makeup and stuff, you know? But a band like Queen, the visual is important, so there is a really good live show and everything, but the music is just as important.
BRAD: Right.
TYLER: And another thing I learned from Roger and, even back in the day with Queen, is they knew they couldn’t reproduce those records note-for-note live. So they became their own beast. They became their own little edgy thing live. And, you know, we tried to translate that as much as possible with Extravaganza, and most certainly still do with Queen and Adam Lambert.
BRAD: How difficult you find it in general reproducing some of those songs live, because there’s a lot of studio, I don’t want to say “trickery”, but, like, real production value. I mean, a lot of ways, on “A Night at the Opera”, Roy Thomas Baker is almost like the fifth member of that band, right?
TYLER: Sure. For sure.
BRAD: Yeah. So there’s a challenge there, right? Just getting that sound right.
TYLER: And honestly, like, Death was probably one of the easier ones. I don’t want to downgrade it that way, but it’s a little more straight ahead than some of the other songs on the record. Like, probably the hardest one that we did was… I would say it’s either a cross between “Seaside” and “Prophet Song”, because there was this guy named Mark Martell that was a lead singer in Extravaganza for a while, and when it got to that middle section with the echoes and stuff, you know, we did that live, and if you mess up, it messes up three times. But we worked so hard to make sure that that was good. And yeah, the hardest parts, the vocals; instrumentally, if we know the songs and we know what we’re doing, it comes together. But vocally, we all sang in that group, so we all had to make sure we knew our stuff.
BRAD: So did you sing the Roger parts generally?
TYLER: Yeah. Or just whatever needed to be filled in. I always took the high stuff and then Roger, anything that Roger sang lead on, I would do. Like, “Car” and things like that.
BRAD: So what were some of the other challenging things, aspects, maybe, that we wouldn’t necessarily think about doing that particular album, or just any Queen stuff in general, live?
TYLER: Well, it’s kind of two different beasts. With Extravaganza, we do what we can to do some of those, some of the stuff that they did in the studio that they didn’t do live. Like, with “Seaside”, doing all the mouth trumpets and all that stuff, we would do that, and the ukulele things for “Good Company”. And a lot of it was pre-prep. Like, we would spend a lot of time on our own. Either I or the keyboard player would transcribe vocals and send each other parts. And, like, “you do this, you do this, you do this”, just to make sure that we’re all on the same page.
BRAD: Right.
With Queen, it is totally different because we can, it always comes together. But, like, whenever we get in rehearsals, we really don’t practice the music that much. You would think we would, but… we might, we’ll do, like, top and tail, beginning of a song, end of a song, and if there’s any massive train wrecks, we’ll go through it. Bbut other than that, we’ll spend a little bit on music, a bit on production, and then first show, hopefully everything comes together, and it always tends to. It always seems to be like, the first show is great, the second show is terrible, and then it evens out after that.
BRAD: That’s interesting.
TYLER: Yeah.
BRAD: So you’ve toured with the Adam Lambert version of the band?
TYLER: Yes. Yeah.
BRAD: And what’s it like working with Adam?
TYLER: It’s ridiculous. It is unbelievable what that man can sing, and it’s almost like it’s nothing to him. Like, we can show up for sound check and he’s not warmed up. He might have just woken up or might have just gotten back from a lunch or something. And we get up there and it’s there. And it just seems like it’s nothing to him. His voice is absolutely insane.
BRAD: What a gift, right? Man.
TYLER: And he’s such a nice guy. I just saw him a couple weeks ago because he was doing “Cabaret” in New York, and we saw his last show, March 28, I think. And of course, naturally, he was as ridiculous on that as ever. But he’s got a gift, there’s no doubt about it.
BRAD: Yeah. Well, let’s talk about some of your music. You were telling me you’ve released a couple of singles on your own.
TYLER: I have. I’ve got another band called Flare Light, but we’re kind of on hiatus at the moment. But around Valentine’s Day last year, we were in Japan with Queen and Adam Lambert, and the last show was Valentine’s Day, and I released two singles called “Beautiful Ways” and “Falling Into You”. It’s the first solo stuff that I’ve done in nearly 10 years, I would say. It’s just I’ve been so caught up with Queen and stuff like that, I just hadn’t really had time. But since those two singles, I’ve been kind of getting back into the idea of being a solo artist again. And I’ve been writing, recording, so hopefully I’ll have a record out. And hopefully it’s some time this year. But it’s on Spotify, Apple, all the streamers, wherever you get your music, “Beautiful Ways” and “Falling Into You”.
BRAD: Okay, and that’s under your name?
TYLER: Yes. Tyler Warren.
BRAD: Yeah. Cool. All right, well, thanks, man. I appreciate you coming by, talking a little bit about the record. And we’ll play a little bit of that track to get us out of this episode.
TYLER: There you go.
BRAD: But thank you so much, man.
TYLER: The most vicious Freddie might have ever been. Oh yeah, It’s a great one. Thank you so much. Thank you.
BRAD: Thanks, brother. Appreciate it.
Tyler Warren. I had a good time chatting with him.
Well, this wraps up our special two-parter on Queen’s “Night at the Opera” and the song “Death On Two Legs”.
Of course, “A Night At The Opera”, led by the hit single “Bohemian Rhapsody”, would become the album that broke Queen in the US and around the world. And the rest, as they say, is history.
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Queen: https://www.queenonline.com
A Night at the Opera (Album): https://www.queenonline.com/discography/albums/a-night-at-the-opera
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Roy Thomas Baker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Thomas_Baker
This episode we celebrate the 50th anniversary of one of the greatest ever made– A Night At The Opera by Queen. I’m joined by author Gillian Gaar, whose new book, Queen and A Night at the Opera 50 Years, offers a fascinating look at the making of this legendary record. Together, we explore the unique personalities of the band members, the pressures they faced leading up to the album’s release, and the innovative production techniques that defined their sound.
Each track on A Night At The Opera is a testament to Queen’s eclectic style and musical genius. Join us as we celebrate the artistry behind this classic album and the enduring legacy of Queen. Whether you’re a lifelong fan or new to their music, this episode is a must-listen!
Welcome to another edition of the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast on the Pantheon Podcast Network. I’m your host, Brad Page, and on the next couple of episodes, we’re celebrating the anniversary of one of the greatest albums ever made: “A Night At The Opera” by Queen.
Author Gillian Gaar has a brand new book out called “Queen and A Night At The Opera: 50 Years”. This is a great book, and so I’m happy to have her join me for this episode as we dig into this classic album. Here’s our conversation.
Brad Page: All right, Gillian Gaar, thank you so much for joining me for this episode of the podcast. Just a few episodes back, I did a show on all of the amazing records that came out in 1975. It was an incredible year for some classic albums, and one record in particular that’s celebrating its 50th this year, is by any measure, an all-time classic. It’s Queen “Night At The Opera”. And you have a fantastic new book– I have it here, I’ve read it, it’s great. Couldn’t recommend it any higher. You’re kind of giving us the inside scoop on the making of “A Night at the Opera”. So, thanks for coming on the show to talk about the book and about this amazing record.
Gillian Gaar: Well, I’m excited to be here. Thanks for inviting me.
Brad Page: Yeah, thanks for coming on. So, let’s set the stage here. Let’s talk about who Queen was. I think when you look back at, not all, but many of just the legendary bands, there are four very distinct characters, right? John, Paul, George, Ringo… The Who… Led Zeppelin. Each one of those guys is singularly unique in where they fit in those bands and really irreplaceable, I think. And I think Queen is the same way. You had four very distinct individual characters in this band. So, let’s talk a little bit about just who those guys were; Let’s start with Brian May and Roger Taylor, because they were kind of the core of the band and they had sort of been playing together before Queen became Queen, right?
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. In fact, they were all in college, and Freddie Mercury knew them at that time and they were in the band Smile. And Freddie desperately wanted to be in a band, but Smile was a trio, so they couldn’t, he couldn’t really fit himself into that format, but he just hung around. He was an ambitious guy already at that stage; you know, he’d have suggestions for them. “Oh, why don’t you play this song? Why don’t you move like that on stage?” That kind of thing.
Brad Page: Yeah. Freddie kind of weaseled his way into the band just kind of on sheer personality, I think.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. I mean once Tim Staffell left and Smile was over, well, then Freddie could step right in. And then it just took a while to find John Deacon. I mean, that’s a kind of interesting aspect about how a band comes together; they had three other bass players that they worked with before John Deacon, and it didn’t say that any of them weren’t necessarily, That John was necessarily so much a better bass player than them. I think they probably perhaps had the same level of skill, but they just weren’t the right fit. And John came along and he was like the last piece of the puzzle, which you see that in retrospect, though it couldn’t have felt like that at the time– they were probably thinking “Are we ever going to find a bass player?” And, kind of like the moment when Ringo joins the Beatles, the last part of the puzzle finally falling into place.
Brad Page: Right. The key piece that fits. And then it just gels, and it’s magic.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, yeah. It’s also interesting, because they are four very different personalities, and yet they all worked well together. I mean, yes, of course they were known for their arguments in the studio and all, but in general they meshed well together. And I think I quoted, it was probably Freddie, or maybe Brian, just saying how he thought that element made them a more interesting group; that you did have all these different people instead of all the same kind of person.
Brad Page: Right. Well, yeah, again, that goes back to where you look at The Beatles, or The Who– I mean, that’s a bandwidth four very distinct characters. Led Zeppelin… John Deacon is kind of that John Paul Jones-type of character, right. The quote-unquote “Quiet One”.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah.
Brad Page: But an incredibly important force. I think every band has a “secret weapon”, Somebody who’s sort of under-the-radar but is so important, and to me, that’s John Deacon and Queen.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, well he turned out giving them some of their most notable hits. And who knows, if he had not been in Queen, if he’d been in some other group, maybe he would not have become a songwriter, because he sort of blossomed with that. He didn’t join and say, “Oh, I have all these songs”. He sort of developed.
Brad Page: Yeah, and we’ll talk about that as we go through the record. So, as we come into 1975, Queen’s got three albums on the books. They’ve had a taste of success with “Killer Queen”. They didn’t really have any hits off the first two records, but “Killer Queen” on the previous album did pretty well.
There’s a thing where, by the time you get to your third record, if you’re not producing hits, there’s a lot of record company pressure. But where do you see the band as they come into this record? Where are they at in their career, in your perspective?
Gillian Gaar: Well, as you say, you know, obviously they hadn’t had the big breakthrough, but they were coming along, as frustrated as they probably felt that the three albums didn’t do better than they hoped. But by the time they made, “Night At The Opera”, they were a headlining act in Britain– not in the US; they had been to the US and were opening for other bands, and so probably the next step would have been to be the headliner. But they were headlining in Britain, so they had come on that much. “Killer Queen” was the first song I remember hearing from them. So that was like the first US breakthrough… I was going to say big hit; It wasn’t a “big hit”, but it got in the Top 40. So, you heard it on the radio, even in the suburbs.
They’ve got a new manager by that time, because they were having, they were having some conflicts with Trident where they were making the records. They were sort of under a management contract with Trident, who was also, I think, looking after their publishing and having them record in Trident Studios, which in Norman Sheffield’s book– he was one of Tritee’s co-owners, the founder, he owned it with his brother. He wrote out pretty interesting book, because the band was saying, “Oh yes, they didn’t pay us enough royalties”, etc. And he said that at the beginning, he didn’t want Trident to be overseeing all those aspects of the band because he just envisioned it generating conflicts of interest down the road, which of course it did, when the band was unhappy. But they brought in John Reid at this time and John said, you know, “Don’t worry about any management issues, record company issues. You just go out and make the best album you can.” So he sort of took that pressure off. He’s like, “Don’t think about business. Your job is to make this record. So just focus on the record and don’t even think about these business issues.” But I know Brian has said he considered it a make-or-break record, because they were on the verge of breaking through. So they were in a good position, they were in a great position for that. But then you have to deliver. And if they’d put out an album that wasn’t as strong, you know, they may have just stayed kind of at that middling success level. You don’t generate the momentum to carry you to the next level. So that was what they were looking to do with “Night at the Opera”. So certainly they themselves felt pressure for that.
Brad Page: Yeah. So they begin rehearsals in July of 1975. And they end up, over the course of the album, they end up using a total of six different studios, I think, between the overdubs and all of that.
Gillian Gaar: Yes. If you want to count the national anthem, it was seven, because they recorded that before that even started proper work on “Night at the Opera”. They recorded it to play at the end of their concerts, because in Britain, they usually play the national anthem at the end of a theatrical performance. And, they thought, well, let’s provide them with a rock version to play. And so they’d already recorded that and decided to put it on the end of “Night at the Opera”.
Brad Page: Before we dig into the record, one more person to talk about, and that’s the producer, Roy Thomas Baker. Talk a little bit about Roy and his role here.
Gillian Gaar: Well, when he was starting out, learning his trade, he actually worked with some opera companies in the studio, which was very helpful, I think. One reason Queen got on so well with him was that he was as experimental as they were. And when they were making Queen II– which one band member, or maybe it was Roy had called it “the kitchen sink album”, because they just threw everything into that. But he had been told by Freddie when they were starting work on it, Freddie saying,” if there are any other crazy ideas you want to try that other bands wouldn’t let you do, you could do them on this album”. So they were both interested in experimenting and pushing the studio technology. So they were lucky in having Roy with them, because he was just as excited to see what could be done in the studio as they were.
Brad Page: Exactly. Particularly in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s, you had a lot of those pop producers that were, you know, they made some great records, no doubt, but it was very much almost an assembly line in a way. It was just, you come in and you do X, Y and Z, and back out on the road. And there wasn’t a lot of room for the acts to experiment. I mean, sometimes they didn’t even get to play on their own records.
Luckily, you had four very strong-willed characters here who weren’t about to let themselves get steamrolled by any producer.
So let’s go through the record, track by track. Because to me, when I think of the all-time great records, what makes a great record– not just a good record, but one that really stands out– to me, it’s sort of a cliche, but I always feel like a great record has to take you on a journey, from start to end. Doesn’t necessarily have to tell a story like a concept record, but it’s got to take you somewhere from the moment you drop the needle, so to speak, ‘till the end of the album. And to me, this record really does. It just takes you to so many different places and it’s such a fantastic record for that. So let’s look at these individual pieces that make this great work of art.
The album kicks off with a track by Freddie, that Freddie wrote called “Death on Two Legs”. And I don’t want to get too deep into it here, because we’re going to actually explore this track in detail on the next episode of the podcast… but just to kind of put it out there, this is one of the nastiest tracks that’s ever been written about another person. I think particularly written about their two managers, who, frankly, I don’t know that really deserve this level of vitriol. But it is a brutal takedown of Barry and Norman Sheffield, who you mentioned before, who had been acting as their managers. And clearly Freddie wasn’t particularly happy with that situation.
Gillian Gaar: Well, the whole band actually was wondering why they weren’t getting more money since their records were selling. And in particular, “Sheer Heart Attack”, the third one, selling more because it was the most successful. And Norman, in his book, which he called “Life on Two Legs”, he said that Queen had such expenses, such high expenses that they were still in debt to the company. Freddie in particular, always wanting a new costume to wear, and they had a kind of elaborate stage show, lights and all the rest of it that they wanted to use. So, he could certainly be right about that. And he was trying to tell them, or was trying to tell them. “Well, as more money comes in, then you’ll earn back this debt and then you go start to get money of your own”. But, yeah, that relationship did not last. And, they worked out a settlement to where the Sheffield’s were no longer involved. But they did get money from the next few albums until a certain period. Norman recognized that the song was about them and they were considering legal action, but he didn’t really want to, you know, hold up their career. It was easier to just make a settlement, let the album come out. And, if you notice, if you read interviews done at the time, Freddy’s careful to never name them. And he doesn’t even say, you know, our former managers or anything. He’s really kind of vague.
Brad Page: Yeah, he’s pretty cagey about it.
Gillian Gaar: They probably came to some agreement that, yes, we don’t want to get in legal trouble either.
Brad Page: Yeah.
Gillian Gaar: And I mean, it’s interesting to know that about the song, the backstory, if you will, but certainly you can relate to it anyway, even if you have no idea what they’re talking about. Because probably everyone’s had a boss or a superior that you didn’t like. Maybe not to that degree… Or a teacher. You know, there’s probably some figure that’s grated on you. Or these days, maybe it’s a politician. So, it has a lot of universal appeal, I would say.
Brad Page: Right, right. I mean, it is certainly a brutal takedown. And Freddie, just the way he digs into those lyrics vocally, it’s just like he’s just like breathing fire.
Gillian Gaar: He’s so over the top, though, that it’s kind of funny. I mean, you sense that his tongue is a bit in cheek there because it’s somewhat delivered with a wink. The animosity is real, but it’s, um, I think it’s tempered a little bit.
Brad Page: And then the song ends, and we go right into about as much of a polar opposite as you could get: Track two, “Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon”, another track written by Freddie.
Gillian Gaar: Oh, I love that one.
Brad Page: I do too. The song is 1 minute and 7 seconds long; it’s like it’s over before you Know it. But even in that little over a minute time, there’s some interesting things going on. Let’s talk about how they recorded the vocal on this track because that’s pretty fun.
Gillian Gaar: You know, these days, I suppose you just hit a switch on the console and get a digital effect to make your voice have that kind of “old timey” sound, like from a Victrola record player. Back then, you had to do those things, you know, the analog way, the hard way. So they had his microphone, they sent the vocal into a microphone in a bucket, to give it that kind of echoey sound, which actually is pretty clever when you think about it. A lot of the things they did on this album were very clever. They thought of all kinds of solutions to get the sounds they wanted.
Brad Page: Right. It’s pretty ingenious. He sings in the studio, as you normally would, but then they pump that audio into a pair of headphones; they put the headphones in a bucket and then stick a mic in the bucket to record the audio kind of bouncing around inside that tin bucket, and you get this sound that really sounds just like an old time radio or Victrola like you said. It’s fun, it’s just a fun little track and I really dig it. And I love the juxtaposition of the fury of “Death On Two Legs” with “Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon”.
Gillian Gaar: Oh yeah, the album starts out that way, it continues on. Each song is kind of, you know, so different from the one before it.
Brad Page: Yeah. And so the next song on the record is Roger Taylor’s moment to shine, and kind of became his signature song. “I’m In Love With My Car”.
Gillian Gaar: This is an aspect that isn’t talked about with Queen very much, but there was always a sense of humor running through what they did. I think not so much in the ‘80’s, and maybe that’s why I didn’t like their music as much in the ‘80’s, I’m more a ‘70’s Queen person.
But, of course, “I’m In Love With My Car” has all these great innuendos in it that are, you know, not unheard of in songs about cars. So he kind of continues that fine tradition.
Brad Page: It’s in 6/8 time, which is not an unusual time signature, but for kind of a more heavy rock song, it’s not typically used in that format, so that’s kind of interesting. It has that sort of false ending at the end, where it fades out and then it comes back in with the guitar part. And I believe Roger actually played rhythm guitar on this track, right?
Gillian Gaar: Yes, yes. Helped to thicken the sound.
Brad Page: Yeah. So you got, I think, both Brian and Roger playing a little guitar at the end of it. And then of course, they overdub Roger’s sports car at the end of it. That is a real car. Yeah, that’s his Alfa Romeo. That’s his actual car. You hear revving it again at the end. It’s it’s not a sound effect, it’s an actual recording.
And then we get John Deacon’s moment, a song that he wrote called “You’re My Best Friend”. And, spoiler alert– this is my favorite track on this record. I think this is an absolutely perfect pop song. I love the sentiment of it, it’s just so pure, and I just think wonderful. And it’s like the second song he wrote, right? Because he had written one track on one of the previous records, and I think this was song number two?
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. I mean, you know, technically, I don’t know if he wrote a song in between or not.
Brad Page: Yeah, he may have had other songs, but this was this only the second song he brought to the band. But I mean, wow. You know, this is the kind of song I think you could write and just if you write this once in your life, that’s a big accomplishment. Pretty incredible. Such a great song. He plays the electric piano on it. It’s very distinctive, that electric piano sound.
That’s all John. Incredible bass part on here. If you go back and listen to the bass on this part, super busy. Very McCartney-esque, in that way that Paul’s bass parts are kind of like a song all unto themselves. You don’t really hear any guitar until you get to the third verse, and then Brian does that great harmonized guitar solo. Kind of what I always think of as that guitar orchestration that he was so great at. That’s such a big part of the Queen sound is in here.
Gillian Gaar: And it’s really the first on the album where you can see the group’s harmonies on full display.
Brad Page: Right? Yeah. Those classic Queen harmonies really come into play here. Just a great track.
Gillian Gaar: Oh, yeah.
Brad Page: And then the spotlight turns to Brian. So: so far on the record, we’ve had two Freddy’s songs, we’ve had a Roger song; John doesn’t sing “You’re My Best Friend”, but it’s really his moment to shine. And then we’ve got “’39”, which is one of Brian May’s featured tracks on the album. He sings it. It’s kind of this, it’s a sci-fi folk song, which is a genre all of its own.
Gillian Gaar: I think Brian had to himself.
Brad Page: Yeah, yeah, I can’t think of too many other sci-fi folk songs out there.
John Deacon learned to play the upright bass specifically for this one. It became a real staple of the Queen’s setlist. They would play this live in kind of their acoustic section.
Gillian Gaar: Yes. They’d come down to the front of the stage.
Brad Page: Yeah. Brian on vocal; it’s a pretty heartfelt vocal. And, you talk about it in the book, that ostensibly the song is about the concept of when you go out in space and you travel at the speed of light, a year might pass for you between the time your journey begins and ends. But back on Earth, like 100 years could have passed. So he comes back to Earth, He’s a year older, but his family, his wife has probably passed away at this point, or she’s an old woman, and his kids are fully grown. He’s missed all of that.
But in your book, you have quotes of him talking about that’s kind of like how he felt as a touring musician. Going out on the road, on tour, and then coming back, you’re almost a different person than the family you left behind, which I think is fascinating.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, it’s sort of an allegory as well as just being the song about interplanetary travel. I’ve read something similar from other musicians; especially if you’re on a big tour, a big major tour, that there’s sort of a disconnect when you come off the road and then you get back to, quote, real life with, maybe you’re married, your spouse and your family… you haven’t been dealing with them, you’ve been dealing with all this other stuff. And if you’re a big band, you know, you’re catered to all the time, right? And now you’re back home and wait, “I’ve got to get my own dinner?”
Brad Page: Yeah. “I have to take out the garbage?”
Gillian Gaar: “What do you mean, mow the lawn?”
Brad Page: Yeah, yeah. And meanwhile, your family at home has been living their lives, you know, they’re almost on a separate path than you are. It’s no wonder so many of these relationships just… they fail because it’s such a hard thing. It’s nobody’s fault, you know, it’s just the nature of being a touring musician. You’re kind of in your own world and then you have to come back and reorient yourself into, quote, unquote, real life. And it’s kind of a weird thing… but I love how this song gets at that. And there’s a point towards the end of the song where the music breaks and he just says, “Pity me”. And just. I don’t know, the way he sings that, to me, there’s like some real emotion in that, that’s getting at something deeper than just the story that he’s telling.
And then that’s followed up by another song written by Brian, a track called “Sweet Lady”. This is kind of the one that sort of gets short shrift on this record, I think. The one nobody ever talks about.
Gillian Gaar: Well, it is the weakest track, I would say, on the album, certainly.
Brad Page: You know, I love the guitar riff. I think it’s a great guitar riff. But somehow it never quite seems to take off or to gel, I guess.
At the end of the song, the band kind of tries to ramp it up and go into overdrive, but somehow it feels smaller to me, uh, when it should feel bigger.
I think it’s almost a production failure. It’s not a terrible song by any stretch, but it’s kind of tough to live up to all the rest of the tracks on this record, I think.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, I think that fade out– and here, I’m looking it up– it lasts about a minute and a half. I think that’s my favorite part. That’s when they really sound the most engaged in the song. Because I have to say, the rest of it, I don’t know, there’s almost kind of a forced Quality. It’s kind of leaden.
Brad Page: Yeah, yeah… Brian was trying to do this thing of having 3/4 time in the verse and 4/4 time in the chorus, and it almost feels, in a way, like maybe more of like an exercise than a finished product, if you know what I mean. Like, it’s nice idea but doesn’t necessarily go anywhere.
Gillian Gaar: Mhm.
Brad Page: Again, I really do dig that guitar riff I think it’s a great guitar riff. So, I don’t want to completely crap this on this song, but you know, it’s on a record that’s chock full of, I think, masterpieces. So you know, something’s got to come last, right?
And then side one closes out with another one of Freddie’s old timey songs, “Seaside Rendezvous”, which I think has a fantastic vocal by Freddie.
Only he could do a song like this and pull it off that way.
Gillian Gaar: Well, that was the aspect I liked about Queen, in particular that camp side that Freddie embodied. Because I grew up listening to musicals, and it was fun reading Mark Blake’s book on Queen, “Is This The Real Life”, and hearing what a fan Freddie was of the musical “Cabaret”, the movie in particular. And I was, too. Probably appreciating a different level from him, because I was still in junior high school. So, I always liked that aspect. So I kind of, I understood more where those songs were coming from. And maybe I think some of the rock contingent didn’t quite get that. Or maybe they were just things they tolerated or put up with from Queen. But I always liked those type of songs.
Brad Page: I do too. And it’s a very Beatle-esque kind of thing, too, right? ‘Cause so many of the great Beatle records would have, usually from McCartney but not necessarily always, you’d have these kind of British music hall throwback-type numbers, and I just think it adds to the, just the whole overall scope of the record. Like I said, sort of taking you on a journey through different musical genres and different times, and I love that. I love a record that just throws all kinds of things at you. And I think these songs hold up as well as the more classic rock numbers. I think “Seaside Rendezvous” was great for that, and I think it’s a great way to wrap up side one.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, yeah. Because of course, that’s how we heard these albums in those days; there was a side one and a side two.
Brad Page: Yep.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. When you think about it, when they were putting the albums together, not like today with the CD thinking what’s going to open and close the album. You had to do that twice, because you had to think of what’s going to open side one and close side one.
Brad Page: Right.
Gillian Gaar: So you have to think of two openings and two closings.
Brad Page: Right. But I think the feel of albums benefited from that. And there was something about that break, where you physically had to flip the tape or flip the album. There was just something about that pause that was like an Act 1, Act 2.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, yeah, it did have that quality.
Brad Page: Yeah. And so speaking of that, side two kicks off with the song that I think was supposed to be the epic on the record. I know Brian always felt that this song kind of got overshadowed by “Bohemian Rhapsody”, which is one of the all-time epics, but “Prophet’s Song” is the song that kicks off side two, and it’s really an intense piece. What’s your take on this song?
Gillian Gaar: Oh, I always like that one. Especially when you, you know, got your first pair of headphones and you could appreciate the canon part in the middle, with the vocal kind of going around first on one channel, then on the other, and then in the middle.
And that was very exciting. And it was so long.
Brad Page: Yeah, it’s over eight minutes long. I believe it’s the longest song Queen ever did.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. I wrote that, and I said technically, on one of the very later posthumous albums, they put this sort of long track together…
Brad Page: Yeah, there’s like an ambient piece that closes out the “Made in Heaven” record.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah.
Brad Page: But that’s not like a “song” song, right.
Gillian Gaar: No. I always, I liked it quite a bit. I do like Brian’s songs, he was the one that was more apt to go into, you know, the realms of fantasy and mythology. That was, well, you saw that in “’39”. And then this similarly is tapping into that.
Brad Page: Yeah, this came From a dream he had, right?
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, yeah, that was the impetus of it. And then he just said it was a very difficult song for him to bring all the different parts together. But, I know he always felt it was overshadowed by “Bohemian Rhapsody”, but I don’t know if it really would have been, say, as successful as “Bohemian Rhapsody” had “Rhapsody” not existed or been on that album.
Brad Page: Right.
Gillian Gaar: I think, because of the length, and then also just the different passages. You had the canon sequence with Freddie’s vocals, but then coming out of that, you have this kind of long rock instrumental section that goes on.
Brad Page: Yeah. “Prophet’s Song”’s not quite as catchy, in terms of… you know, I can’t really picture it ever being a hit on the radio, the way “Bohemian Rhapsody” took off.
Gillian Gaar: Oh, they’d take the middle section out completely. You know they would have done that.
Brad Page: True. Yeah. And if I had one criticism, I think it may go on a little too long.
You’ve got the sound of this wind, which is actually just an air conditioner, like a microphone in front of…
Gillian Gaar: Yes, it was funny.
Brad Page: Right. And this is kind of a kitchen sink thing too, because Brian’s playing a toy koto, which is a Japanese instrument that I think was gifted to him on a Japanese tour.
like a microphone in front of.: Yeah.
Brad Page: You’ve got tape effects in it; there’s one point where they actually, you hear the sound of the tape starting from dead stop. You know, when you turn a tape on, it doesn’t immediately… It’s not like a cassette, you know, these reel to reel tapes, they took a second to ramp up to full speed. And so you’d kind of get that ramp up sound. And they actually used that in here. They edited that in, which is very difficult to do.
Gillian Gaar: Well, especially then you’d have to cut the tape and, you know, like literally tape it back in there. Yeah.
Brad Page: Lterally editing with razor blade and splicer tape. You could not afford to screw up. You really had to know what you were doing or the whole thing would be trashed. Wasn’t for the faint-hearted.
And then you have this beautiful acoustic guitar at the end of it that turns into the next track. Freddie’s piano comes in, and you get the song Love Of My Life, which is one of the most beautiful songs that Freddie ever wrote and ever sang. Let’s talk about that song.
Gillian Gaar: Well, I think it was Brian who said that later on in the ‘80’s, Freddie was somehow a bit insecure about his piano playing. So in the ‘80’s, he didn’t play piano that much on Queen’s records, they’d get other people in to do it. But, here he does, and I think that makes all the difference. And it just shows how artists can be self-conscious about something that to the rest of us sounds perfectly wonderful.
Gillian Gaar: It’s a beautifully performed piano part.
Brad Page: And you see the classical influence. I mean we had, you know, his love of vaudeville in the earlier songs. But now the classical influence comes in to play, very strongly on this number.
Brad Page: Yeah. And he asked Brian to play harp. Brian had to learn how to play the harp.
I think you say in the book Brian basically had to do it like one chord at a time. ause he didn’t know how to play harp.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. And then he found it would go out of tune pretty frequently. So you’d have to stop and retune it then play the next chord. So yes, he wondered how they managed in symphonies. But, I suppose perhaps in more climate controlled rooms, that’s easier. I have heard that harps can go out of tune very easily.
Brad Page: So yeah, it’s a tricky instrument. The guitar solo: Brian’s guitar work here really feels like what a violin would play; at other points, it feels more like cello. You know, Brian was so great, and we’ll talk about it further on on the record, of just making his guitar… I mean, it always sounds like Brian May’s guitar. That’s the other thing too, is that on one hand, it’s so distinctive. Brian is one of those players where you can hear two or three notes of a Brian May guitar part and say “That’s Brian May”. And at the same time, he can become other instruments, like violins and cellos, and play those parts. What a brilliant player.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. I think he’s underrated in a lot of ways. Perhaps people remember the big guitar riffs, the signature guitar riffs, something like “Tie Your Mother Down”. But he was just very inventive and very expressive. I mean, think about “Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon”. You know, his little guitar part at the end there, which is just so fun, and it’s probably only 10 seconds or 20 seconds. I think people overlook that side of his skills.
Brad Page: Yeah. Just incredibly versatile as a player and yet always sounding like Brian May.
It’s an amazing track. It’s one of their greatest ballads, if not their best ballad.
Gillian Gaar: Yes, it probably is the best ballad. Freddie’s best ballad. Yeah, certainly.
Brad Page: And one of the things that I love about this song, and just in general sort of fascinates me about music and songs in general, is that they would play this song live– and it would be a big part of their live set– but it became something else. They would do it acoustically, basically just Brian, I think, maybe John playing bass, and Freddie singing, but the audience would sing with him. The song kind of became this whole other thing.
It’s like this heartbreaking kind of lonely song on the album…
Gillian Gaar: Yes.
Brad Page: …but when they brought it live, you would get this 10,000, 20,000 people singing it, and it becomes something else.
Brad Page: How this song of one man’s broken heart kind of became almost an anthem in a way. And sung by 20,000 people, all kind of sharing the same feeling. It’s just, it’s just great. And to me, that’s a sign of a great song; it can withstand being taken apart and performed in different ways, but still always works.
Gillian Gaar: Mhm.
Brad Page: That’s followed by another Brian May song. Another song that he takes the lead vocal on, a song called “Good Company”.
Brad Page: That’s another favorite.
Brad Page: Yeah, he plays ukulele on it, as well as taking the vocal. He turns his guitar into an entire brass band.
Gillian Gaar: I know, it was remarkable. And just talking about creating the horn parts by recording them one note at a time. So, it was just an incredible amount of effort that he put into just getting it just right. That was typical of his meticulous approach to his music like that.
Brad Page: Just incredible amount of work for, again, it’s probably 30 seconds worth of music, but it probably took weeks of work.
Gillian Gaar: Mhm.
Brad Page: There’s one interesting thing in this song where lyrically he rhymes the line “My very good friends and me” with “The girl from Number Four”, which doesn’t even rhyme, right? You’d think it’d be “The girl from Number Three”.
Gillian Gaar: Number three, but you’re right.
Brad Page: It’s got to be an intentional, like, well, “I’m not going to go where you think I’m go going to go. You think I’m going to say three, I’m saying four”.
I love the way at the end of this song there’s this guitar trill that’s kind of an unresolved thing.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah, it’s like this minor discord and it gives you a little, it kind of leaves the song hanging, sort of a bittersweet note.
Brad Page: But that also takes you into “Bohemian Rhapsody” and the a capella intro of that. Just the way that flows is really interesting.
Brad Page: So then, of course, that leads us to the last track on the album, Freddie’s masterpiece. I mean, I don’t know what more we could say about the song that hasn’t been said a million times by other people, but it is a tour de force. I mean, it’s iconic. It’s hard to think of any song more iconic. There are songs as iconic, but I don’t know if there are any that are more iconic than “Bohemian Rhapsody”.
Gillian Gaar: You know, we’ve been talking about the different styles on the album, and this has all those different styles in one song.
Brad Page: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You’ve got just every element that makes Queen great; that they’re able to do all these different things, and do them masterfully. And it’s all crammed into this one song.
I love the little touches, like after he sings “Shiver down my spine”, you get that kind of metallic clanging, which is actually Brian hitting the strings behind the bridge on his guitar.
And you’ve got that big gong at the end of it.
Gillian Gaar: Yes. It really was remarkable. And to think of that being played on the radio. I don’t know that a track like that could get played on the radio these days, or would get played, rather.
Brad Page: Right. This song is sui generis, to use a big word. You can’t think of anything like, “Oh, well, that’s just like this other song”.
It’s hard to come to a song like this and hear it fresh. Sometimes you have to kind of force yourself to just to flush it out and try to hear it as it sounded in 1975 and what, like, a shock it was.
Gillian Gaar: Yeah. Uh, people say the same thing about “Stairway to Heaven”, too. Just overplayed. And perhaps you could say that about “Hey Jude”, the Beatles song. So much out there. But younger people, though, who maybe haven’t had all that exposure, as much exposure to it in things like commercials; maybe, you know, each generation comes to it with fresh ears, one can think. You know, I find you have to sort of step back sometimes, and not play that favorite album for a while, and then listen to it again, and you can revisit how great you thought it was.
Brad Page: Yeah, sometimes you just, “Wow, that really is great. I forgot how great that song was”, you know?
And then the album closes on “God Save the Queen”.
Gillian Gaar: I think it sort of underscores the idea that you could see the album as a theatrical presentation.
Brad Page: Mhm.
Gillian Gaar: I mean, the cover kind of suggests a theatrical program that you might get when you were seeing a show.
Brad Page: Yeah– Let’s talk a little bit about the album art. For Queen, it’s kind of an understated cover, I mean, considering how big and flamboyant they could be. It’s basically just very white with some bright colors. And that Queen coat of arms on the front, that Queen logo on the front kind of represents each of the four members of the band, right?
Gillian Gaar: Yes. That was designed by Freddie based on their astrological signs. Remember, astrology being such a popular thing then.
Brad Page: And I think you said it kind of feels almost like a theater program or an opera program, kind of the way it’s laid out. It’s very elegant, which befits the title of the record.
Gillian Gaar: Yes, that too. And then, on the inside; it’s a gatefold, having the lyrics and the portraits of the band members, they look like headshots– always made me think of headshots, the kind of things that actors and performers would use to pass out to agents and so on.
Brad Page: It’s just a very complimentary album design to go with this record, and the music that’s contained within. I really love the whole package of it.
So the album comes out in November 1975.What happens?
Gillian Gaar: You know, if you look at the reviews at the time… I mean, there are some raves, but there are also some, they did get some mixed reviews as well. Just because it was so elaborate and so many different styles, and people were sort of not sure how to take this. But certainly the sales came out strong, and soon they had a number one album & single, right away in England; I don’t think either of those got to a number one in America, interestingly. But yeah, certainly in England. And it broke through, gave them their number ones and around the world it certainly performed strong, got in the top 10. It was the breakthrough they had wanted and waited for, and worked so hard for.
Brad Page: Yeah, no doubt. This is the record that really brought them to that higher level, that broke them, made them legends and again, when I think of the great records, the great albums, this is absolutely one that’s always up there for me. I just think it’s an incredible record.
By the time this episode airs, the book will be out April 1st. I encourage anyone who’s listened to the show that’s a Queen fan of any measure– Go pick it up. It’s great. It’s just a great fun read and it’s a beautiful package. Jillian, they really did a wonderful job putting the book together. It looks great. Packaging is great. It looks beautiful on your bookshelf.
Gillian Gaar: It’s got a golden spine, folks. It’s in a slip case and it has a lovely golden spine.
Brad Page: Yeah, it’s befitting a band as elegant as Queen, for sure. You can find it on Amazon, but of course, if you can get it from your local bookshop, please do. Wherever you get it, get it. You won’t be disappointed.
I love the book, I love the album and I love the chance to talk to you about both the book and the album. So, thanks so much for coming on the show. I really, really appreciate it.
Brad Page: Well, you’re welcome. I had a great time.
Brad Page: Thanks, Gillian.
The book is called “Queen and A Night At The Opera” 50 Years” by Jillian G. Gaar. It’s a must-have for Queen fans.
One of my favorite places to order books from is bookshop.org. When you order from them, you’re actually supporting your local bookstore, so it’s always a great place to get any book. Look, I’m not making any money from this… I’m not getting a kickback, I’m not sponsored by any of this. I just genuinely enjoyed Gillian’s book and I think you will, too.
I’ll be back here in two weeks, digging deeper into “Death On Two Legs”. So I will see you then. Until then, take care of those you call your own and keep good company.
"Nobody" (Dick Cooper, Ernie Shelby) Copyright 1967 Mikim Music Inc/Carlin Music Corp.
What happens when two R&B veterans team up with a psychedelic band for a one-off single? It’s either one of the weirdest songs of the ’60’s or a forgotten classic, depending on your take on these things. For me, I’m firmly in the “lost treasure” camp. This original mash-up by Larry Williams & Johnny “Guitar” Watson, with The Kaleidoscope backing them up, is a relic from a time when anything seemed possible.
“Nobody” (Dick Cooper, Ernie Shelby) Copyright 1967 Mikim Music Inc/Carlin Music Corp.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Welcome back to the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast. I’m your host, Brad Page, and we are here on the Pantheon Podcast Network. Each episode, I pick one of my favorite songs and we explore it together, trying to get at the heart of what makes a great song. We don’t get into music theory here, so you don’t have to be an expert. This show is open to anyone interested in just listening.
On this edition of the podcast, we are listening to a song by an offbeat duo, but it’s really the result of an unlikely combination with a third force that makes this song such an anomaly. The song is called “Nobody”. It’s by Larry Williams and Johnny Watson, with The Kaleidoscope.
Larry Williams was born in New Orleans in May 1935. He moved around, living in Chicago for a while, then Oakland, California, but eventually returned to New Orleans where he connected with Little Richard and got signed to Specialty records. Little Richard was the biggest star on the specialty label, but when he quit the music business in 1957 to join the church, specialty needed another big act. And that was Larry Williams’ opportunity. Larry’s first hit was his biggest, “Short Fat Fanny” reached number five on the Billboard Hot 100 in 1957.
You can definitely hear the Little Richard influence there. He followed that up with a song called “Bony Maroney”.
But Larry Williams is probably most remembered today for his next single, which had “Dizzy Miss Lizzie” on the A side.
And “Slow Down” as the B side.
Both of those tracks would be recorded by The Beatles. In fact, The Beatles would cover a third Larry Williams track, “Bad Boy”, making Larry Williams one of the very few artists that The Beatles covered multiple times.
John Watson, Jr. was also born in 1935. He came from Houston, Texas, but moved to LA with his mother when he was 15. He gained a rep as a hotshot guitarist and a flamboyant showman, and earned the nickname Johnny “Guitar” Watson. He played without a pick, using his fingers to produce a snapping, stinging attack that Frank Zappa would describe as “an ice pick to the forehead” tone. And he meant that as a compliment.
In 1954, Johnny Guitar Watson released a single, the instrumental called “Space Guitar”, that pretty perfectly illustrates his tone, and features reverb and feedback in a way that was really years ahead of its time.
In 1957, he released “Gangster of Love”, which wasn’t a big hit at the time, but would eventually become his most popular song and would earn him another nickname as “Johnny Guitar Watson, The Gangster Of Love”.
Steve Miller would later nick that line for his song “The Joker”.
As the 50’s gave way to the 60’s, Johnny focused more on doing session work and being a sideman. He hooked up with Larry Williams and they worked together for quite a few years. Though they never had any big hits, they were a very popular live act, especially with black audiences. The duo released one album in 1967 called “Two For The Price Of One”. Johnny was as good a piano player as a guitarist, and this album features as much of his piano as his guitar. But it’s got some great overlooked R&B moments.
At the end of 1967, they released a brand new single, a song called “Nobody”. For this track, they brought in a new band to back them up, a psychedelic group of all white musicians from La called The Kaleidoscope.
Kaleidoscope was founded in 1966 and featured David Lindley. David would go on to become an in-demand session musician and a hired gun, as well as a solo artist. He was an incredibly talented and versatile musician on virtually any stringed instrument you can think of. David Lindley has played on tons, tons of albums, but he is mostly famous for one guitar solo– the solo he played using a lap steel guitar on Jackson Brown’s “Running On Empty”.
But back in 1967, Lindley was playing in this psychedelic band, Kaleidoscope. They released their first album, “Side Trips”, in June 1967, the Summer of Love. Here’s a song from that album called “Pulsating Dream”.
So somehow, Larry Williams and Johnny Watson, two lifelong R&B performers, decided to bring in this psychedelic band, Kaleidoscope, to back them on this one song.
“Nobody” was written by Dick Cooper and Ernie Shelby. It was produced by Larry Williams and Johnny Watson, and released in December 1967.
All the members of Kaleidoscope were multi-instrumentalists and often played traditional instruments. Not the kind of stuff you hear on most rock songs, and not my area of expertise. Sounds to me like there’s one part played on maybe an Oud, which is a fretless, stringed instrument from the Middle east. There might be a sitar in there, an acoustic slide guitar… I don’t know. Like I said, I’m no expert, but this is definitely not your typical Motown or Stax track.
Let’s listen to just their vocal track.
Now, they’re gonna do a classic R&B-style break here, but the oddball instrumentation puts such a great and fresh spin on this.
“The way we look and the way we dress may make some people frown, they just don’t understand our bag, that’s why they put us down”. You can tell this was written in 1967, and I love it. I also love this little vocal part here, too.
Let’s pick it back up right before that part.
And that gets us to a short little instrumental section where Kaleidoscope gets to do their instruments here. I don’t know who’s playing what, if that’s David Lindley playing the main part or not, but let’s listen.
And that brings us into another chorus.
Let’s back it up a little bit. We’ll take out the vocals and listen to just the instrumentation and the percussion.
I love these parts. Let’s go back and listen to just the vocals.
And here’s the instrumental part underneath that.
And check out this totally psychedelic ending.
“Nobody” by Larry Williams and Johnny Watson, with The Kaleidoscope.
This song would be recorded and released as a single a year later by Three Dog Night in November 1968. But their version is more conservative, without the exotic instrumentation and the psychedelic sounds. I much prefer this version.
Larry Williams lived a hard life. Drugs and violence were a consistent part of his life. He spent time in prison. On January 1980, he was found dead in his home, a bullet in his head. His death was ruled a suicide, but some suspected he’d been murdered. He was only 44.
As I mentioned before, Frank Zappa was a big fan of Johnny “Guitar” Watson, and Zappa invited Johnny to play on four of his albums. In the 1970’s, Johnny reinvented himself as a funk and disco artist. He re-recorded the song “Gangster of Love” in 1978, and it finally became a hit.
After Larry Williams death, Johnny kind of retreated from the public for a while. Though he would still perform overseas, he staged another comeback in 1994 with his album “Bow Wow”. A tour of Japan was planned for 1996 starting on May 12th; on May 17, Johnny and his band took to the stage in Yokohama. As he began the second verse of “Superman Lover”, he grabbed his chest and fell to the floor. He died that night of a heart attack, age 61.
Kaleidoscope would go on to release four albums between 1967 and 1970, along with two reunion albums, one in ‘76 and one in 1991. David Lindley, of course, went on to much greater success as a sideman and with his own band, El Rayo X.
Four of the original five members of Kaleidoscope have passed away now, including David Lindley, who died last year, March 3, 2023. He was 78.
Thanks for joining me on this episode. I hope you like this one. As always, there are more coming. Another edition of the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast will be here in just about two weeks. And of course, if you’d like to catch up on all of our previous episodes, you’ll find them on our website, lovethatsongpodcast.com. Or look for us in your favorite podcast app.
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REFERENCES:
Larry Williams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Williams
Johnny Watson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_%22Guitar%22_Watson
The Kaleidoscope (band) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleidoscope_(American_band)
Specialty Records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialty_Records
The Beatles https://www.thebeatles.com/
Frank Zappa https://www.zappa.com/
David Lindley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lindley_(musician)
Jackson Browne https://www.jacksonbrowne.com/
Steve Miller Band https://www.stevemillerband.com/
“Search And Destroy” (Iggy Pop & James Williamson) Copyright 1973 by Bug Music (BMI) and EMI Music Publishing Ltd.
Iggy Pop made his (first) comeback with the Raw Power album, released in 1973. The album opens with the ferocious track “Search And Destroy”. Produced by David Bowie and powered by the savage energy of the reconstituted Stooges (featuring James Williamson’s guitar fury), this track set the tone, not only for this album, but for decades of punk and heavy metal to come.
“Search And Destroy” (Iggy Pop & James Williamson) Copyright 1973 by Bug Music (BMI) and EMI Music Publishing Ltd.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Greetings, wild ones. I am Brad Page, your host here on the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast, one of many great shows on the Pantheon Podcast Network. Each episode of this show, I pick a song and we dig into it together, trying to get a handle on what makes it a great song. You do not have to be a musical expert to enjoy this show; we run a jargon-free, low-tech shop here that’s light on music theory and heavy on just listening.
There are rock stars, there are legends, and there are huge personalities. And then there are people like Iggy Pop, who somehow manage to transcend all of that, who reach beyond genre. You like hard rock or heavy metal? Iggy Pop was kicking ass with the originators of those sounds. You like punk? Iggy is one of the founding fathers of punk. If you prefer new wave, Iggy made his mark there, too. The dude even released a jazz album.
What a career.
On this episode, we’re heading back to 1973 for “Raw Power”, Iggy’s third album with the Stooges, and one of their all-time classic songs. Buckle up, because this is Iggy & The Stooges with “Search And Destroy”.
James Osterberg, Jr. Was born in Michigan in April 1947. His dad was an English teacher and he grew up modestly living in a trailer park in Ypsilanti. But his parents were supportive of his musical endeavors, even making room in the trailer for his drum set. He played drums for some local bands, including the Iguanas, which is how he would earn the nickname “Iggy”. He eventually landed in Chicago and started a band called the Psychedelic Stooges. Iggy became the lead singer, with Ron Ashton on guitar, his brother Scott Ashton on drums, and Dave Alexander on bass. They started calling him “Pop”. And so Iggy Pop was born.
In 1968, they signed with Electra Records and their first album, “The Stooges”, produced by John Kale, was released in August 1969.
They followed that with their second album, Funhouse, in 1970.
Neither album was commercially successful. Of course, they’ve gone on to become classics, but at the time, few people were interested. But one person who was listening was David Bowie. By then, the Stooges had split up and Iggy was pretty deep into his heroin addiction. But Bowie scooped him up, along with guitarist James Williamson, who had joined the Stooges at the tail end. Before they split, Bowie took them both to London, hoping to hook them up with some British players to form a new band. But that just wasn’t working out. Iggy and Williamson were just too “Detroit” for these London glam musicians, so they brought back Ron and Scott Ashton, with Williamson on guitar. Ron switched to bass. He wasn’t exactly happy about that, but he did it.
They signed a deal with CBS Records and recorded the new album at CBS Studios in London. Iggy originally produced and mixed the album, but apparently that mix was kind of a mess and CBS wouldn’t release it. So Bowie was brought in to remix the record. Working under a limited budget, and with limited time, he had to mix the album in one day and it kind of shows it’s a rough and raw mix.
Released in February 1973, the album, called “Raw Power”, wasn’t any more commercially successful than his first two albums. But like those records now, “Raw Power” is considered a classic.
Now, before we delve into the album, there’s one thing we have to discuss, and that is these various mixes. As I mentioned before, David Bowie had mixed the album under less-than-ideal conditions and that is the version that was released on vinyl in 1973. But when the album was rereleased on CD in 1997, Iggy Pop remixed the whole album, and this has led to differing opinions. Some, like the legendary critic Robert Christgau, prefers Iggy’s remix. But many fans, including both James Williamson and Ron Ashton, who were in The Stooges, didn’t like Iggy’s new remix at all, and say the original Bowie mix was better. Now, none of this really matters if you’re listening to the album on vinyl– that’s the original mix. But if you’re listening on CD, well, which one are you really listening to?
There’s the first CD version from 1989, which, like many early CD’s, was not a great transfer. Then there’s Iggy’s remix from 1997. And then there’s the deluxe “Legacy” version CD released in 2010 that restored Bowie’s original mix. And, if you’re listening to it by streaming, well, good luck, because who knows which version you’re getting?
Let’s quickly compare the two. Here is the original Bowie mix and as acknowledged, it’s far from perfect:
And this is the 1997 Iggy remix. You can hear he’s pushed everything into the red. It’s a lot louder, but there’s also a lot of digital distortion which you can clearly hear:
The version that I am going to use here is from the 2010 “Legacy Edition” CD with the remastered and restored Bowie mix. I think that gets us closest to the original version and the original intent. Again, it’s not a great mix, but I think it’s the best of the choices available.
Ok, so the album opens with “Search And Destroy”. Like all the tracks on the album, it was written by Iggy Pop and James Williamson. It features James Williamson on guitar, Ron Ashton on bass and backing vocals, Scott Ashton on drums, and Iggy Pop on lead vocal.
The whole band launches in from the start. A couple of bars in, James Williamson overdubs a few guitar licks.
The song was inspired by an article in Time magazine about the Vietnam War. It’s always been assumed that the character in the song is a soldier, but there’s plenty of Iggy in this character, too. On the back of the album cover, there’s a photo of Iggy in one of his favorite jackets with a cheetah sewn on the back. So Iggy himself could be the “street walking cheetah”.
Let’s look at each element of the second verse. First, let’s hear the bass. Ron Ashton is using a really gnarly, fuzzed out bass sound on this track.
And now let’s hear Scott Ashton on the drums. I really like what he’s doing here.
And let’s check out guitar.
And listen to that second verse.
Let’s listen to the guitar in this section again. You can hear that there’s a second rhythm guitar overdubbed on this part, which adds a little extra punch to this already pretty powerful tracker.
You can barely hear the bass and the drums, they’re mixed so low.
Let’s go back and listen to just the bass and drums.
There’s let’s hear that all together again.
And there’s another short solo from James Williamson.
James Williamson really tearing it up here. Listen to his guitar behind the vocal.
“Search And Destroy” by Iggy and The Stooges.
Whether you want to call it proto-punk, primitive, heavy metal, or just the purest form of rock and roll, there is no denying how influential Iggy and The Stooges were, and how important “Search And Destroy” was in particular.
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REFERENCES:
Iggy Pop https://www.iggypop.com/
The Stooges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stooges
Raw Power Album https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_Power
David Bowie https://www.davidbowie.com/
James Williamson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Williamson_(musician)
Ron Ashton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Asheton
Scott Ashton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Asheton
CBS Records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_Records_International
by Roger Waters - Copyright 1975 Roger Waters Overseas, Ltd
Pink Floyd has been a cornerstone of rock history, producing some of the most iconic albums ever recorded. One song that stands out in their catalog is “Have a Cigar” from the album Wish You Were Here, a track that offers a scathing critique of the music industry. In the latest episode of the podcast, we dive deep into this song, uncovering what makes “Have a Cigar” a classic.
“Have A Cigar” (Roger Waters) Copyright 1975 Roger Waters Overseas, Ltd
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TRANSCRIPTS:
Come on, you ravers, you seers of visions– shine on with the “I’m In Love With That Song” Podcast. I’m your host, Brad Page, and every two weeks, we come together here on the Pantheon Podcast Network to explore a different song. Each episode, I pick one of my favorite songs and we dig into it together, uncovering all the elements that go into making a great song. You don’t have to be a musician or have any technical knowledge– this isn’t a show for just the experts, this is for anyone who just wants to listen and explore what makes a good song great.
In this episode, we’re exploring a real classic. By any measure– artistically, commercially– Pink Floyd were one of the most successful bands of all time. They created a handful of the greatest albums ever released. On this episode of the podcast, we’re exploring a song from an album that came out just about in the middle of their career, an album that represents many things for this band, and the stories of making it are the stuff of legend. From the album “Wish You Were Here”. This is a song called “Have A Cigar”.
Pink Floyd have been covered on this show before: In episode 58, we looked at “Us And Them”, and episode 114 featured “See Emily Play”. If you haven’t heard either of those episodes, go check them out. I’m not going to go over their history again, you can revisit those previous episodes if you’d like. We’re going to pick up where we left off after “Dark Side Of The Moon”.
“Dark Side Of The Moon”, of course, was their breakthrough album. I don’t need to tell you how big that album would become, but it was an important, significant record from the moment it was released. So, for Pink Floyd, the challenge was: what to do next?
The band was searching for a direction. First weeks, then months, went by with not much to show for it. Endless sessions in their rehearsal studio, trying to come up with something. Something not just good, but something to match or top “Dark Side Of The Moon”. That’s no easy task.
Compounding the problem was the fact that fractures were beginning to occur within the band. The pressure of what to do next exacerbated the disagreements between the four band members. Initially, they returned to a concept that they first explored back in 1970. It was a project called “Household Objects”, where they would forego the use of their traditional instruments and create songs using rubber bands, broomsticks, wine glasses, aerosol cans, smashed Light bulbs. They had abandoned that idea before, but now, without any better ideas, they returned to “Household Objects” and spent at least a month in 1973 trying to conjure music from kitchen appliances and hand tools. But ultimately, they abandoned the idea again.
To my knowledge, the only thing that survived from the “Household Objects” project is a two-minute recording of tuned wine glasses, and a three-minute track called “The Hard Way”. The sound of those wine glasses would be used at the beginning of “Shine On You Crazy Diamond”, but the rest of it all went by the wayside.
Finally, in January 1974, during one of those endless jam sessions, guitarist David Gilmour stumbled across a four-note phrase. Almost by accident, they took that idea and expanded it, pushing it in different directions and adding new elements, eventually forming it into a song called “Shine On You Crazy Diamond”, a multi-part suite that would open and close their new album. They would also take the sound of those wine glasses and incorporate a little bit of that into “Shine On You Crazy Diamond”.
The subject of that song, as all Pink Floyd fans know, was their former singer, guitarist and bandleader Syd Barrett. “Shine On You Crazy Diamond” is a fascinating piece of music worthy of an exploration all on its own. But not in this episode… we’re here for a different song.
So now Roger Waters, the bassist and primary lyricist, had some themes to work with: absence and the harsh realities of the music business, both of which directly related to Syd Barrett, but also extended beyond him.
The actual recording sessions for the album, which would be called “Wish You Were Here”, began at Abbey Road in January 1975, a year after they first came up with that riff that inspired the album. One of the tracks they worked on was a darkly funky track called “Have A Cigar”, a ripping takedown of the music industry, sung from the perspective of a typically greedy, self-serving record executive. It was written by Roger Waters, produced by the band, and performed by David Gilmour on guitars, Richard Wright on keyboards, bass by Roger Waters, drums by Nick Mason and vocals… well, we’ll get there in a minute.
The song begins with a riff played together on the bass and the guitar. Sounds like both the guitars and the bass have a flanger effect on them.
After a couple of playthroughs of the riff, the drums and the keyboards come in. There’s a little whoop sound in there. Let’s back it up a bit.
I like that descending guitar part that leads back into the riff. Here comes the second riff.
There are two synthesizer parts plus an electric piano, each one placed in a different spot in the stereo mix that allows each part to occupy its own space. When you add in the bass, drums and guitars– and I’m sure there’s more than one guitar track here– there’s a lot of music here, but the mix doesn’t feel cluttered at all.
That’s the first of these little guitar and keyboard fills that play off of each other, answer each other. It’s nothing fancy, but I just like the dialogue between the guitar and the piano throughout the song. Let’s pick it back up from there.
And it sounds to me like Richard Wright has also added a clavinet part now.
And here’s the first verse. But that voice doesn’t belong to anyone in Pink Floyd. When it came time to record the vocals for this track, both David Gilmour and Roger Waters took a stab at it, but neither of them were happy with their performance. Just by happenstance, a singer songwriter guitarist named Roy Harper was recording his own album next door. Roy Harper is a fairly obscure figure, certainly in the United States, he’s never had any hits here and never got much radio play. If Americans know his name at all, it’s likely from the song title of the Led Zeppelin song “Hats Off To Roy Harper”. But Roy Harper is a brilliant British folk-rock songwriter and performer who has released a number of unique, and you could say eccentric, albums. He’s a musician’s musician, a songwriter’s songwriter. And he was friendly with the guys in Pink Floyd. Since they were both working on albums at Abbey Road, they would pop in to visit each other’s sessions. He watched Pink Floyd wrestle with the vocals on this track for days and eventually, he offered to sing it for them.
Here’s a little bit of the version with Roger Waters attempt at the vocal. It’s really not that drastically different, but Roy Harper brought a wonderfully acerbic tone to the track. Roy had his share of misfortune at the hands of record companies, so he could relate to these lyrics for sure.
That’s one of the best lines in the whole Pink Floyd canon. The idea that this record company bigwig who’s trying to schmooze them doesn’t even know that there’s no one in the band actually named Pink Floyd.
I love the way he elongates the word “train” and twists his phrasing at the end.
Sounds like he’s double tracked his vocal there too.
Here comes the second verse. You know, I’ve listened to this song so many times, but I never really noticed until now just how much work the keyboards are doing here. I’m even hearing a little bit of Stevie Wonder influence in there.
Let’s bring up the vocals again. Roy Harper is just killing it here.
So that brings us to the guitar solo. It’s another classic solo by David Gilmour. And we’ll listen to that in a minute. But first I wanted to focus on the rhythm section for a bit. I think it’s fair to say that neither Nick Mason or Roger Waters are virtuosos. Nick Mason is not a flashy drummer, but he’s rock solid. And neither he or Roger Waters are exactly funky players, but they’re laying down a pretty cool groove here. So let’s just listen to that for a while.
Alright, now let’s go back and listen again with the guitar solo.
Let’s bring up that guitar.
And now, we get a change of audio perspectives, as a synthesized “whoosh” repositions us, as though were listening to the song now through an old transistor radio.
And that, of course for everyone who’s familiar with the album, leads us into the next song, “Wish You Were Here”. But that’s another story.
“Have A Cigar” by Pink Floyd. The “Wish You Were Here” album was released in September 1975 and topped the charts in the US and the UK. It is still regarded as one of Pink Floyd’s best albums. In fact, I believe it is David Gilmour’s favorite Pink Floyd album.
But it was the beginning of the end of the band. Roger Waters had taken over creative control and over time, would push the other members further away. Richard Wright was essentially fired from the band and then rehired as a session player for the group. Eventually, Roger Waters pushed himself out of the band.
But despite the personal unpleasantness, “Wish You Were Here” is a really cohesive album. Every band member contributes excellent performances, and the album flows perfectly as a whole. It’s a masterpiece.
Richard Wright died from lung cancer in September 2008. He was 65. Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, and Roy Harper are still with us today at the time of this recording.
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RESOURCES:
Pink Floyd https://www.pinkfloyd.com
Wish You Were Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_You_Were_Here_(Pink_Floyd_album)
Dark Side of the Moon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon
For one hot moment, Broken Homes were the buzzed-about new band in LA, and big success was ahead. It never materialized. The band cut 3 albums for MCA, but they went nowhere. On this episode, we dig into a track from their first album, one of my favorite LP’s from the ’80’s and a real “desert island” record for me. The album never came out on CD, but if you can track down a copy on vinyl, I highly recommend it.
“An L.A. Rain” (Mike Doman) Copyright 1986
TRANSCRIPT:
The human ear is a pretty remarkable device. You can detect variations of less than 1,000,000,000th of atmospheric pressure. It can detect vibrations of your eardrum that move less than the width of one atom. Pretty incredible when you think about it. Welcome to the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast, where we put these amazing ears of ours to good use as we explore what goes into making a great song. You don’t need a lot of musical experience or knowledge here. You just need to use those extraordinary ears and see what we discover. I’m your host, Brad Page. We are part of the Pantheon family of podcasts, and today we’re listening to “An LA Rain” by Broken Homes.
Usually on this show, we have a lot of history to set up before we get into the song. You know, with artists that have been around for years, you have to put these songs in context. We did a Fleetwood Mac episode earlier this year that took 20 minutes of setup before we even got to the song. But on this episode, we’re talking about a band with not a lot of history to go on. In fact, there isn’t even a Wikipedia page for these guys.
Broken Homes were formed in the mid-eighties by singer Mike Doman and guitarist Craig Ross. The band got together in LA, but Mike Doman had come from the east coast–Pennsylvania, I believe– and he brought a rootsy, working class, kind of East Coast Rock and Roll sound with him. It’s very different from the hair metal bands that were big in LA in the middle of the eighties.
They recruited a drummer named Craig Aronson and started working out material. A bass player named James Ashurst was finishing up a gig one night with another band when they asked him to join the Broken Homes. They had a big gig lined up at the Roxy coming up pretty soon. They played that gig on a Friday night, and by Monday morning, they were signing a record contract with MCA Records.
Broken Homes didn’t fit in with the Sunset Strip sound at that time. Their sound was closer to bands like X or Lone Justice: straight-ahead traditional rock and roll, with a little bit of country and punk thrown in. But they became one of the hottest bands on the LA scene at the time. In 1986, they went into Ocean Way Studios, one of the greatest studios in LA and used to be known as United Western, and they recorded their first album with producer Jeff Eyrich.
The song we’re listening to here is called “An LA Rain”. It’s track number two on the album. It was written by Mike Doman. Mike is on lead vocals and probably a little guitar. Craig Ross does most of the guitar work. Jimmy Ashurst is on bass and Don Harvey is on drums. Producer Jeff Eyrich wasn’t convinced that their drummer, Craig Aronson, was up to the challenge of making this record. So, he brought in a drummer named Don Harvey, who had been playing with Charlie Sexton at the time. This had to be handled sensitively. They didn’t want to mess with the image of this being a tight knit, hard workin’ rock and roll band. I mean, all four band members names, including Craig Aronson, are, right there on the front cover of the album, even though Aronson didn’t actually play drums on the record. But if you look closely on the back cover in small print, it says “special thanks to Don Harvey, Drums”.
The song opens with what sounds to me like three guitar parts. One acoustic guitar in the center, possibly with a capo on it to raise the pitch. An electric guitar that’s panned left. Both of those are strumming chords. And another electric guitar on the right that’s playing a nice little part. Could be some chorus effect on that. Another thing to note is that most, if not all of the guitars are played in open G tuning. That’s a big part of what gives this track that blues based Americana by way of the rolling stones kind of rock and roll sound.
Now this intro will take us right into the first verse, and it’s an abrupt change. The bass, drums and vocals are all come in. The acoustic guitars are dropped, leaving one electric guitar now moved to the center. Let’s pick it back up from the top.
The bass and drums are providing a rock solid foundation here. Jimmy Ashurst’s bass is laying down a simple part that just fits perfectly. And Don Harvey’s drums are locked right into that groove. It’s a great drum sound. Probably starts with the natural room sound at Oceanway Studios, where this album was recorded, with some additional reverb added to make it sound even bigger.
Now, the story that Mike Doman is telling us here is that he’s driving down the Pacific Coast Highway in a convertible in the pouring rain, with the top down. Somehow he’s asleep at the wheel– his girl wakes him up just in tim,e as he sings “To ride a wall of water down the PCH”, and with that, we’ll ride right along with him into the chorus.
Once we hit that chorus, the sound opens up. That single electric guitar is now augmented by at least three additional guitars, left, right and center. One of the guitars is playing in a higher register, probably using that capo. It’s almost a mandolin like sound. None of the parts are particularly complex. Some of the guitars are just strumming and holding a single chord, but each one is playing in a different register, occupying its own frequency range. And each part is placed carefully in the mix, so that nothing is stepping on each other. Let’s listen to just those instrumental tracks.
When you take that and add some harmony vocals, it just makes this chorus bloom. Let’s go back and listen to this again. Listen to how when we hit this chorus, the sound just opens up. It’s like the audio equivalent of switching to widescreen. If you can listen on headphones, all the better. But you should be able to hear it bloom listening in your car or wherever it is that you’re hearing this now. This is the kind of production technique that I absolutely love.
This brings us to the second verse. And what I kind of like about this one is that, you know, usually with these songs, it’s a guy hitting on some girl, usually an underage girl. It’s always a little skeevy; but here, he’s flirting with a woman who’s a little older. Mike Doman was probably in his early twenties when he wrote this song. The woman he’s singing about has an ID that says she’s 24, but she’s really 31. But he’s into it.
Rewind and listen to the backing track here. I particularly like the Keith Richards influenced guitar that Craig Ross is laying down here.
It’s time for this second chorus. Let’s listen to just Mike Doman’s vocals first. I believe all of the parts are sung by Mike Doman.
Here’s that chorus again in the final mix. I love the drums on that part there, where they take a little pause with the tom fill and then hit hard on the second beat. Let’s play that chorus from the top again.
That transitions right into the bridge. The band pulls back a bit before it builds back up. Now, I think there might be a piano added to the mix here. Maybe an electric piano. It’s pretty low in the mix. Could be another guitar. Let’s listen to some of those instrumental tracks, see what you think.
Let’s hear all of the parts on the bridge. Now at the end, Mike is going to repeat the phrase “There was rainwater in my ears” multiple times. But each time, he sings it differently. And the more emphatically he sings it, the more it kind of makes you wonder how much he really means it. To paraphrase Shakespeare, “doth he protest too much?”
Listen to how they build the song back up. The bass and drums are doing the heavy lifting there. Let’s hear their part.
And that buildup takes us into another variation of the chorus.
Okay, first let’s go back and listen to Mike Doman’s vocals leading into the break here.
Now let’s listen to Craig Ross’s guitar part here. What he’s doing is taking his E string and detuning it. He’s not using a whammy bar, hs actually cranking his tuning peg down, turning it with his left hand while he plucks the string with his right. The string goes all the way slack. And then he cranks it back up to pitch and starts playing the riff again. Totally cool. Give it up for Craig Ross.
Let’s hear all of that together as it sounds in the final mix.
Now here comes a new part. Craig’s electric guitar is joined by an acoustic guitar. Strumming chords in the background with a very clean sounding electric guitar. Playing some simple lead lines. And listen to the drum fills here. Don Harvey is playing some simple fills, but they sound great. Just the right amount of reverb on them. This is a great drum sound.
Let’s bring up Mike’s vocals from the background there.
And there is a killer drum fill that leads us into this final chorus. So let’s check that out.
And now, as the song begins to fade out, you can hear that piano come forward a bit in the mix.
“An LA Rain” by Broken Homes.
The album was released in 1986 and big things were expected… but nothing happened. They just didn’t catch on. They toured hard as an opening act for some great bands, and certainly put in the work, but they just couldn’t seem to get any traction, and there was zero radio play.
But I love this record. Seriously. This is a Desert Island Album for me.
Broken Homes would record two more albums, a total of three albums that never went anywhere. And eventually they split up.
Who knows why some bands never take off. You could blame the record company, MCA. It’s a little tricky, I think, because MCA did stick with them for three albums, something that would never happen today—they’d be dropped after their first album. So I guess you got to give the label credit for that. But at the same time, I don’t think MCA knew how to market them. They just didn’t know what to do with this band.
Bass player Jimmy Ashurst said something very smart about this. Looking back on it years later, he said “Record companies still don’t know how to market for classic rock when it’s not yet ‘classic’, when it’s being made today; there’s no path for that.”
Jimmy Ashurst went on to play with Izzy Stradlin in the Juju Hounds and later was a member of Buckcherry. He also wrestled with heroin addiction and did some time in prison, but I believe he’s clean now.
Guitarist Craig Ross became the guitar player for Lenny Kravitz. He’s the guy with the big hair in all of those Lenny Kravitz videos, and he still works with Lenny today. Craig’s done quite well for himself.
Drummer Craig Aronson would leave the band after this first album. He was replaced by Michael Graves. Aronson would become an A&R man and was the guy who signed Jimmy Eats World and My Chemical Romance, just to name a few. Aronson died of cancer in 2014.
Michael Doman would kick around the music business for years, and would continue to be a great singer and songwriter. Unfortunately, Michael passed away in December of 2020.
I highly recommend the first two Broken Homes albums, especially this album, the debut album. It’s just called “Broken Homes”. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy to find. It never came out on CD. You can find it on YouTube, but you’ve got to work a little bit to find the right Broken Homes. But it is worth it.
Thanks for listening to this edition of the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast. New episodes are released on the first and the 15th of every month, so well be back soon with another new show. Until then, you can catch up on all of our previous shows right on our website, lovethatsongpodcast.com. Or just search for us in your favorite podcast app: Spotify, Google, Apple, Stitcher, Amazon, you name it– you can find us on every podcast app.
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RESOURCES:
Broken Homes No direct link as there’s no Wikipedia page
Ocean Way Studios https://www.oceanwaystudios.com/
One of our greatest singer/songwriters, Matthew Sweet, suffered a stroke recently. He’s facing some tough times ahead, but this isn’t the first challenge he’s faced. Things were not going Matthew Sweet’s way in 1990; his first two albums flopped, and his marriage fell apart. His 3rd album was make-or-break, do-or-die. If this one failed, he may never get to do another record. So he & his producer went back to basics, recording a batch of guitar-oriented songs that sound both retro and refreshingly new. The album that became known as Girlfriend saved his career and has become a true classic. On this episode, we explore the album’s brilliant opener, “Divine Intervention”. Let’s hope he rebounds as well this time.
How are you? How have you been? Good to have you back with us on the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast. I’m Brad Page, coming to you on the Pantheon network of podcasts, with another exploration of one of my favorite songs. We keep the music theory and technical jargon to a minimum here, so whether you’re a musician, an avid listener, or just a fan of the song, everybody’s welcome here.
On this edition of the podcast, we’re delving into a song from one of the greatest albums of the 1990’s, and it still sounds as fresh today as the day it was recorded. It’s an indispensable part of my record collection. For many people, the album “Girlfriend” is Matthew Sweet’s masterpiece. Join me as we explore the song that opens this classic album, “Divine Intervention”.
Matthew Sweet was born in 1964 in Nebraska. He played in bands and was writing songs as a teenager, and when he graduated high school, he moved to Athens, Georgia for college, which also happened to be ground zero for the alternative rock scene of REM, the B-52’s, Pylon, all of those great bands. He hooked up with some local bands, and even did some gigs with Michael Stipe from REM. He spent some time playing bass for Lloyd Cole, too. He formed another duo with drummer David Pierc,e and under the name the Buzz of Delight, they released one EP which included a Christmas song that still pops up every now and then.
Columbia Records was impressed and signed him to a solo deal, and he released his first album, “Inside”. The album is very ‘80’s, heavy on the synthesizer, and suffers for the fact that it was worked on by ten different producers. Here’s a song from that album. It’s called “By Herself”.
The record did not sell, and Columbia dropped him. Three years later, he surfaced on A& M Records with a new contract and a new album, “Earth”. This album was a little more cohesive and featured more guitar, including key contributions from Robert Quine and Richard Lloyd. Here’s a song from Earth called “Wind And The Sun”.
Unfortunately, this album wasn’t any more successful than his first, and A&M dropped him too. Sweet and his wife had married young; he was 19 when they got married, but now the pressure and strain had taken its toll, and she was gone. They divorced in 1989. Having burned through two record labels and one marriage is enough to make anyone reassess their life. He regrouped, and with producer Fred Maher, they started to work on another album. And this time they stripped things back. Inspired by The Beatles’ “White Album” and Fleetwood Mac’s “Tusk”, they wanted an album that felt raw, organic, direct… not necessarily “live”, they were not trying to capture a “live in the studio” band; there are plenty of overdubs, but they were trying to catch complete performances on tape. Most overdubs were performed beginning-to-end without a lot of punch-ins, with one exception: Robert Quine’s guitar solos. Quine was so unpredictable, he never played the same thing twice. So his solos were edited together from multiple takes. But most of the performances on the new album were complete takes, start to finish. Not always perfect, but capturing the feel of a song played by real human beings.
There are two other approaches to this album that contribute to its distinctive and pretty magical sound. One is the heavy use of compression. Pretty much every instrument and vocal was subject to a significant amount of compression. Compression is electronically processing the sound to level it out, increasing the quiet sections while lowering the louder parts. This can be done subtly so that you don’t really notice it, but it results in an even, consistent sound. But you can crank up the compression, producing that distinctive sound that you hear all over this record.
The other thing that makes this album sound the way it does is reverb, or I should say, the complete lack of it. There is no reverb or echo on this album at all. Vocals, drums, instruments, none of it has any reverb at all. At a time when, in the ‘80’s and early ‘90’s, reverb was used on everything to create a big sound, especially on drums, those ridiculously huge drum sounds. This album goes in completely the other direction, avoiding the use of reverb at all. And it’s all the better for it.
“Divine Intervention” is the song that opens the album. It was written by Matthew Sweet, and before we get to the album version, let’s have a taste of the demo. This is Matthew on guitar, vocals & six string bass, and Ivan Julian on lead guitar.
Once they brought it into the studio, they gave it the full band treatment. Basic tracks were laid down with Matthew on electric guitar and Rick Menck on drums. Rick was an indie rock veteran and was playing drums for Velvet Crush. Once the drums and rhythm guitar were done, Matthew Sweet would overdub a bass guitar part vocals and lead guitar, in this case by Richard Lloyd, would come after that. The song opens with a series of short, contrasting sounds. Here’s what we’re hearing there. First, there’s a snippet of the vocals from the chorus played backwards in the right channel. That is immediately followed by a guitar chord that dissolves into feedback in the left channel. This always reminds me of the beginning of “I Feel Fine” by The Beatles.
Next you can hear Rick Menck count off the song. But that’s interrupted by a stray guitar note in the center channel. I’m guessing this is an artifact from Richard Lloyd’s overdubbed guitar. And then Matthew Sweet’s guitar in the left channel kicks off the song proper. There’s also kind of a funny little guitar sting in there from Richard Lloyd.
Let’s go back to the top and hear that whole intro all the way through. You can hear what sounds like some backwards notes in the right channel.
Let’s back it up a bit and play it through the rest of the intro. The other thing you’ve probably noticed by now is the fairly extreme panning with Sweet’s guitar all the way to the left and the drums panned hard right. This was inspired by those old Beatles records. Let’s play the first verse and listen for the stereo placement of all the instruments and the vocals.
I really like the groove laid down by the bass and drums. Simple, not busy at all. Just very straightforward. Supporting the guitars and vocals and giving them plenty of room to work with.
Let’s listen to the second verse. I always thought it was interesting that, on this album that was born out of commercial failure and the collapse of his marriage, and all the questions and soul searching that would arise out of those feelings, that he would open the album with a song about maybe the biggest question of all: is there a God? And does he really care? This song doesn’t offer any answers. How could it? But it is an honest exploration of his doubts.
Notice how on that chorus that the lead and the backing vocals intentionally don’t sync up.
Next up is a guitar solo from Richard Lloyd. We’ve talked about Richard Lloyd on this podcast a couple of times before. He was a member of the band Television, which we explored in episode #147, and we covered a song from one of Richard’s solo albums way back on episode #39. I’ve always liked Richard as a player. He can be very creative. He can play with a lot of fury and fire, and he’s not above playing like a real old-fashioned guitar hero when the moment calls for it. This solo has a little bit of all of that in it. Theres a real manic energy to this one. Just for fun, lets listen to the solo on its own and then well go back and hear it in context.
All right, now let’s go back and hear that in the final mix. First, you’ll hear Matthew sweet say the word “All right”, twice. I’m guessing one of these is on the lead vocal track and the other one is on the backing vocal track. That is a cool little bit there where for a couple of seconds they flip the tape around and play it backwards. Creative tricks like these are a great way to throw in something unexpected that shocks the listener out of complacency, breaks the predictability, and helps keep the listener engaged.
Matthew Sweet sings all of the vocals on this album, all the lead and the backing vocals. It was an intentional decision to use only Matthew’s voice on the album. That creates a sense, almost subconsciously, of the album being the singular feelings and expressions of one man. Plus, Sweet is just a great singer and is able to blend his voice together in beautiful swaths of harmony.
There’s a simple but nice little drum fill there by Rick Menck, and that brings us towards the end of the song with a bit here that I’m sure is another nod to The Beatles.
Let’s listen to just a little bit of those vocals there because it’s so great.
You might think they’re going to end it right there, but it’s just a short pause. Then there’s a drum fill and Matthew laughs. And then Richard Lloyd takes flight again. Let’s hear it. There is a simple piano part in the background played by Matthew Sweet. It’s cropped up throughout the song. You can hear it if you listen closely, here in the right channel.
The song, begins to fade out. And again, you might think this is where it all ends, but it’s a false ending. It’s going to fade back up for an encore.
They weren’t trying to be tricky here. They actually thought Richard Lloyd was on such a roll, they wanted to give us another minute or so of his brilliant guitar work.
“Divine Intervention” – Matthew Sweet
The album was released in 1991 by Zoo Entertainment, at the time, a new label formed by the former president of Island Records.
The album cover is almost as famous as the album itself. It features a photo of the actress Tuesday Weld taken sometime in the late 1950’s when she was just 14 years old. Sweet originally wanted to call the album “Nothing Lasts”, but Tuesday Weld didn’t want to be associated with that title, so they changed the name of the album to “Girlfriend”.
The record label marketed the album as if it were Matthew Sweet’s first record, which was probably smart, because this was really a fresh new start for Sweet. But the strategy worked so well that most people don’t even know or forgot that he had two previous albums before this one.
The album wasn’t a smash hit out of the gate, but it certainly wasn’t a flop either. It sold steadily and eventually went platinum. It’s Matthew Sweet’s most commercially successful album, and it’s a critics’ favorite too. It’s hard to find a bad review of this album. In my opinion, it’s a damn near perfect record.
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"Back In The Saddle" (Steven Tyler & Joe Perry) Copyright 1977 Music Of Stage Three, All Rights Administered by Stage Three Music US Inc.
Aerosmith were at their commercial & creative peak in 1976 when they released Rocks, a high-water mark in their career. The album opens with “Back In The Saddle”, one of their hardest-rocking songs and the perfect way to kick off their heaviest album. There’s lots to uncover in this song, so join us for this episode where we explore this classic track.
“Back In The Saddle” (Steven Tyler & Joe Perry) Copyright 1977 Music Of Stage Three, All Rights Administered by Stage Three Music US Inc.
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It’s time to open up pandora’s box for another edition of the “I’m In Love With That Song” podcast. I am your master of ceremonies, Brad Page, and this is the Pantheon Podcast network. Each episode of this show, I pick one of my favorite songs and we explore it together as we continue our quest to understand what makes a song great. As always, no musical skill or expertise is needed here. This show is open to anyone willing and able to listen.
Aerosmith, one of the greatest American bands, was supposed to be on their final tour, going out in style. But singer Steven Tyler suffered a serious vocal injury last year. They had to delay the tour, rescheduling it a couple of times, but sadly, they just announced last month that they have to cancel the entire tour– Steven’s injury was just too severe. And with that, Aerosmith’s career as a live, touring band came to an abrupt end. Unfortunately, the band will not be back in the saddle again. So I thought it would be fitting to revisit this classic track from one of their greatest albums. This is Aerosmith with “Back In The Saddle”.
We’ve featured Aerosmith on this podcast before; we covered “Seasons Of Wither” back on episode 23, and “Kings and Queens” on episode 97. So, I’m not going to rehash the whole Aerosmith history here, but let’s just set the stage for this particular track.
In 1976, Aerosmith were riding high on the success of their third album, “Toys in the Attic”. They had just finished a lengthy tour supporting that album, and after a short break, they reconvened at the band’s rehearsal space.
The year before, 1975, the band was looking for a place to rehearse. Ray Tabano was originally their guitarist, but when he was replaced by Brad Whitford, he became sort of their assistant and their fan club manager. They sent Ray on a mission to find a new place for them to practice and kind of a home base for the band. Ray found an empty building on Pond Street in Waltham, Massachusetts, not far from Boston, which they leased, rewired, built a stage, and turned into their clubhouse. They called it “A Wherehouse”. The Wherehouse became their band office as well as their rehearsal space, and it was a place they all felt comfortable.
Producer Jack Douglas, who had produced their last two albums, was there with them, helping them to develop and work out new songs for their next album. They decided, rather than move everything into a formal studio, they would just record the album right there at the Wherehouse. So, Jack brought in the Record Plant’s remote recording truck, and he mic’d up the Wherehouse,m trying to capture that raw live sound. They spent about six weeks hammering out the songs and laying down the basic tracks. Then the band took the tapes into the Record Plant studio in New York to record the vocals and the guitar overdubs.
The finished album, dubbed “Rocks”, was released on May 14, 1976. It was their hardest-rocking album to date. In fact, looking back now at their entire catalog, it’s still the hardest rocking album that Aerosmith ever made. For many fans, this is their favorite Aerosmith album, and “Back In The Saddle” is the track that opens the record.
It was written by Steven Tyler and Joe Perry, was produced by Jack Douglas and the band, and was performed by Steven Tyler on vocals, Joey Kramer on drums, Brad Whitford on guitar, Tom Hamilton on bass, and Joe Perry on guitar and six string bass. Joe Perry had purchased a Fender Bass VI, which more or less plays like a regular guitar, but it’s tuned an octave lower, like a bass. If you’ve seen The Beatles “Get Back” documentary, then you’ve seen John Lennon play a Bass VI in that film. But Joe Perry was inspired to pick up a Bass VI because one of his guitar heroes, Peter Green from Fleetwood Mac, used to play one. In fact, back on episode 67 of this podcast, we explored the Fleetwood Mac track “The Green Manalishi” and talked about Peter Green and his six-string bass. Then here’s a little bit of Peter Green on his six-string bass.
So, inspired by Peter Green, Joe Perry got himself a six-string bass and started messing around with it. According to Joe himself, he was in his bedroom, lying on the floor on his back, wasted on heroin, when he came up with the riff for “Back In The Saddle”.
The song begins with a long, slow buildup. You can hear the sound of a horse galloping. According to legend, that’s Steven Tyler tapping two coconuts together, Monty Python style. I don’t know if that’s really true or not, but I like to picture that in my head.
And you can hear the horse winnying in the background of the right channel, and that launches us right into the chorus. It’s not exactly unusual for a song to start with the chorus, but it is a little uncommon.
Before we go further, let’s listen to Joe Perry’s six-string bass riff. That was the genesis of this song. That is one brutal riff.
For Stephen Tyler’s voice, Jack Douglas used a particular type of microphone referred to as a shotgun mic. Very unusual choice for a lead vocal mic. Shotgun mics are extremely directional and mostly used to focus on a sound that’s very far away. In this case, it really captures all of the rasp and the ragged edge of Tyler’s voice. It also sounds like Douglas used quite a bit of compression on this vocal track, which accentuates that even more.
While they were at the record plant working on overdubs, the idea of being back in the saddle came up. With a new album coming out, the band would be saddling up and hitting the road again. It reminded Jack Douglas of that old song by Gene Autry, “Back In The Saddle
For Steven Tyler, because he’s Steven Tyler, “back in the saddle” meant having sex with his girlfriend again. But he took these ideas and his notepad and went into the stairwell at the Record Plant. He liked to go there for some quiet and privacy, and that’s where he wrote the lyrics to this song.
You can hear the footsteps there of our main character, his spurs jangling. This was achieved by taping tambourines and bells to Steven Tyler’s boots and then recording him stomping on a piece of plywood.
He mentions the Crazy Horse Saloon and a woman named Suki Jones. He just made those names up. But sometimes characters take on a life of their own. Stephen Adler, the former drummer for Guns N’ Roses, loved this song so much, he named his band Suki Jones.
Throughout the song, there’s a couple of guitars, one on the left, one on the right channel, just making these wild noises, bending and pulling notes and wrangling with their whammy bars. There is also, very low in the mix, two other guitars, one electric and one acoustic– in fact, the acoustic might even be in Nashville tuning– that are hammering on this droning part in the background. Let’s listen to these guitars.
Let’s pick it back up at the second chorus.
That brings us to the second verse. Let’s look at some of the parts that make up the verse. First, let’s hear just the guitars. And this includes the six-string bass.
Then you have the rhythm section with Joey Kramer’s drums and Tom Hamilton playing the regular four-string bass.
All right, let’s hear that all together.
There are some guitar licks in the mix there. I believe those are played by Brad Whitford. Let’s go back and listen to those.
Let’s go back and hear those in context.
There are some really intense Steven Tyler vocals there, enhanced by the use of that microphone and the compression. Let’s hear just that vocal track peeling off.
Let’s go back and listen to the guitars that play under that chorus. And there are more of those clip-clopping steps that are mixed pretty tightly with the drums. You don’t really notice them in the final mix, but you’ll hear them clearly here.
We’ll back it up again and play into the next section.
This is one of my favorite parts of the song. There’s a harmony added to the lead vocal.
The six-string bass is playing another great part. And notice how they’ve added a flanger to it to give it that swirling sound.
The bass and drums are just really driving forward and the layered guitars are really adding a lot of texture. Notice when the acoustic guitar doubles that little descending part. Let’s hear that all together again.
We’re going to hear another chorus. And then there’s a guitar solo that’s off to one side and fairly low in the mix, but we’ll fade some of the other tracks in and out so that you can hear that guitar part a little clearer.
Steven Tyler actually yodels there. You can hear that in the left channel.
There’s more of that Steven Tyler nonsense. Obviously, they were having a lot of fun in the studio with this track. You can hear the sound of a whip cracking. They actually brought a bullwhip into the studio, trying to capture the sound of a real whip. But after a few hours of messing around with the whip, all they ended up with was some cuts and bruises with no usable sounds. So, Steven Tyler ended up whirling a microphone cable around, and they used a cap gun for the sound of the whip cracking. So let’s hear all of that, along with a little more of those backing guitar tracks.
And while all of that is going, on mostly in the left channel, there’s some nice guitar playing going on in the right. So let’s check that out.
Aerosmith – “Back In The Saddle”
Joe Perry and Brad Whifford would leave the band a few years later, Joe in 1979 and Brad in ‘81. But of course, they reunited in 1984, and Aerosmith went on to do the unthinkable: they became even bigger after their reunion.
Very few bands get a second chance at success. You can count on one hand the number of bands who achieved greater success the second time around. Aerosmith is one of them, and they maintained that success for a long time. Say what you will about Aerosmith, but what they’ve done is unprecedented.
The other thing, too, is that all five original members are still with us. There have been dangerous drug habits, overdoses, car accidents. Joe Perry even had a heart attack on stage a few years ago. But at the time of this recording, they’re all still alive. Just the fact that all five of them still walk the planet is some kind of miracle. If this truly is the end of the line, I’m gonna miss them. But they’ve left behind some incredible records and some of my favorite music of all time.
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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Aerosmith https://www.aerosmith.com/
Toys in the Attic Album https://www.allmusic.com/album/toys-in-the-attic-mw0000192339
Rocks Album https://www.allmusic.com/album/rocks-mw0000189173
Fender Bass VI https://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-basses/other/six-string-bass/
The Beatles ‘Get Back’ Documentary https://www.disneyplus.com/series/the-beatles-get-back/4SrN28ZjDLwH
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